About aggressive dogs or dogs in general...

[Watercooler]

Ah I see that aggressive dog thread got shut down after it steer itself into the off-topic world, not the first time it has happened at geoexpat.

But to get back on topic, my response to closedcasket:

What am I talking about? I'm talking about dogs being only able to be afforded by the rich. If you look at many private residences, many in urban areas do not allow for dogs. The village houses are an exception, but honestly, the majority of people in HK don't live there. So you point on dog ownership being not a birthright is a moot point, since many people can't own dogs in Hong Kong anyway even if they want to The people that do either lived in more upscale residences or older private housing where dog keeping is permitted. Frankly, I don't think the rich in this town take care of their dogs any better than the middle class.

[mrsmith]

Take a photo of the offending dog and owner and email to the government using the 1823 app. People with aggressive dogs should muzzle them. In fact, dogs over a certain weight have to be muzzled in HK. A lot of dog owners don't realise how aggressive their dogs are. My friend is a dog owner and carries a water bottle with him when he walks the dog. He used to spray it on the back when it got aggressive. Now all he has to do is shake the water bottle and the pooch mellows out.

[jimbo]

only public house cannot own pets

Not True. MTR Corp properties don't allow dogs.

[dragon_simon]

Take a photo of the offending dog and owner and email to the government using the 1823 app. People with aggressive dogs should muzzle them. In fact, dogs over a certain weight have to be muzzled in HK. A lot of dog owners don't realise how aggressive their dogs are. My friend is a dog owner and carries a water bottle with him when he walks the dog. He used to spray it on the back when it got aggressive. Now all he has to do is shake the water bottle and the pooch mellows out.

Similiar to the bottle of water, I use to rattle some coins in an empty can to get my dog to snap out of it.

[closedcasket]

Ah I see that aggressive dog thread got shut down after it steer itself into the off-topic world, not the first time it has happened at geoexpat.

But to get back on topic, my response to closedcasket:

What am I talking about? I'm talking about dogs being only able to be afforded by the rich. If you look at many private residences, many in urban areas do not allow for dogs. The village houses are an exception, but honestly, the majority of people in HK don't live there. So you point on dog ownership being not a birthright is a moot point, since many people can't own dogs in Hong Kong anyway even if they want to The people that do either lived in more upscale residences or older private housing where dog keeping is permitted. Frankly, I don't think the rich in this town take care of their dogs any better than the middle class.

My assertion is that most Hong Kongers could own dogs if they wanted to. Sure, they might have to move, but that is the case everywhere. You can get single bedroom partial village houses in the New Territories for under 3k no problem. People who own dogs typically have to make sacrifices to own one, thus I said it is not a birthright.

I agree, the rich don't take any better care of the dogs than the poor. In fact, I think the poor would probaly take better care than the rich if not for the fact the wealthier can afford FDH's. There are four measures to local success in Hong Kong.....


a flat in a building with elevators, a European car, a good spouse and a pedigree dog

[elliee]

In fact, dogs over a certain weight have to be muzzled in HK.

Not true!! Fighting dogs (4 specific breeds) and known dangerous dogs (there is a procedure to determine this with AFCD) must be muzzled.

Large dogs just need to be on a lead in certain places.


http://www.afcd.gov.hk/english/quara...wc_ac_con.html

Please try to get your facts straight if you are going to make statements like this.

[dear giant]

Not true!! Fighting dogs (4 specific breeds) and known dangerous dogs (there is a procedure to determine this with AFCD) must be muzzled.

Large dogs just need to be on a lead in certain places.


http://www.afcd.gov.hk/english/quara...wc_ac_con.html

Please try to get your facts straight if you are going to make statements like this.

From the page that you linked:

Any dog over 20 kg in weight must be held on a leash not more than 2 metres in length when in a public place.

Large dogs may be tied in public places on a leash not exceeding 1.5 metres in length provided this does not endanger the public, other animals or the welfare of the dog.

Leashing requirements do not apply to large dogs in country parks and when swimming at sea, providing ample opportunity for owners to exercise their large dogs off leash. In addition, the Director of Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation can offer exemptions for large dogs that demonstrate in an examination that they can be controlled off leash.

Dogs over 20kg in weight must be on a leash whenever they're in public, unless they're in a country park or swimming in the ocean.

"Certain places" is accurate if understood to mean "everywhere outside your home/property except for country parks and while the dog is physically in the ocean".

[elliee]

From the page that you linked:



Dogs over 20kg in weight must be on a leash whenever they're in public, unless they're in a country park or swimming in the ocean.

"Certain places" is accurate if understood to mean "everywhere outside your home/property except for country parks and while the dog is physically in the ocean".

Actually, 'certain places' also includes private housing estates if they allow dogs off leash in their own rules (have actually checked with the AFCD on this one), private dog parks and an other private property that permits dogs. You can also take a test to demonstrate that your large dog is controlled. The test is difficult, but I have now taken and passed it with two 40+ kilo dogs. Still get people telling us off, even when they are on a lead, claiming that they should be muzzled. Fortunately we have a small garden and there is plenty of open country park space is a close drive away and the beach just down some steps so they have room to run and swim freely on a daily basis. HK works fine for dogs (even big dogs, even in highrises) if the owners are willing to put in the effort to exercise them and put up with a public that has quite a few misconseptions about dogs and the rules regarding them in HK.

[mrsmith]

Thanks for correcting me, though the 1823 government site says all aggressive dogs over 20 kg should be muzzled. http://www.1823.gov.hk/eng/FAQ/001006/index.shtm The problem with many dog owners is they are blind to their dog's aggression - hence the title of this thread. I have seen a normally placid dog (choc brown Labrador) break its leash and attack another dog.

[elliee]

Thanks for correcting me, though the 1823 government site says all aggressive dogs over 20 kg should be muzzled. http://www.1823.gov.hk/eng/FAQ/001006/index.shtm The problem with many dog owners is they are blind to their dog's aggression - hence the title of this thread. I have seen a normally placid dog (choc brown Labrador) break its leash and attack another dog.

Actually, it says all dogs (both large and "ordinary") should be muzzled if they are aggressive. Agree that owners are blind to dog aggression too often. Interestingly, we have a black lab in the neighborhood that has been classified as "dangerous" after 3 attacks on other dogs. There are also two poodles that should be, but nobody seems to care because they are small (but still big enough to hurt another small dog or a child).