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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyhook:
    Getting yourself killed, or killing the intruder by accident over some material possessions, seems a bit selfish and not very intelligent to me. Mad dog mentality, is much worse than the thief, in my opinion.

    If it were me, & I was aware of an intruder in the home while we were home, the first thing I'd do is set off the panic alarm, which activates a very aggravating squawker inside the house, the exterior siren and the strobe light...
    Material posessions not worried about, if they can manage to come in, kill my dogs without me knowing and take stuff and leave, not a biggie but if they try to enter my room, I need to protect the misses, who knows what they want, i aint going to stand around and ask them. If I die trying to protect the misses then so be it.

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    Hi Mr Washington - not sure how much experience you have with determined breeds like a Doberman. They need a lot of training, not to mention a strong alpha figure that the dog will learn to respect.

    Also, it's a bit difficult to expect a pup to grow up into a guard dog.
    While it's true breeds like Dobermans and Rottweilers have natural protective instincts, most guard dogs are professionally trained - it's a great idea to go for this type of training with your dog.

    They don't bark a lot as their characteristics point to them being keen observers. However, they make great deterrents to would-be robbers!

    Maybe you could try Hong Kong Dog Rescue - they sometimes have pure breed pups, although Doberman pups aren't common.

    Good luck!

    Last edited by BessyGirl; 16-09-2009 at 12:31 AM.

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    Dear All,

    Many thanks for your sage words of advice which has given me much to contemplate in the coming few hours and days.

    In answer to your questions, no I was not in my house when the thief struck, but my lady friend was. She heard some banging on the balcony on the second floor and looked out from the top floor where our bedroom is situated and saw a man dressed in black trying to break the balcony door open with a hammer. When he saw her, he ran off whilst she locked herself in the bedroom and waited for the police to arrive. He didn't manage to get in so nothing was taken, but she was alone in the house, so the whole incident was quite frightening, given her gentle nature.

    We do have an alarm with sensors on each balcony, but foolishly we never turned it on in the past. I think there is simple lesson there for all of us, in that a non-activated alarm is quite useless. And perhaps also, that even if the thief sees you have an alarm, he may not assume its working and break into your home anyway, so don't rely on the sight of an alarm bell etc alone to be a deterrent !

    It is for this reason, that we are now seeking canine help in the form of a guardian type animal, who can roam through the house looking for would be intruders.

    Again, I am indebted for all of your advice.

    Sincerely,

    T. Washington


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    Hello Mr Washington
    I am a friend of kellbells and wanted to add a little to the discussion. I feel bad that you and your partner were bronken into, but you need to think seriously re a large guard dog. I have trained a few dogs and know a bot of what it takes. There are two general types of guard dogs imo 1; the junk yeard unsocialised dog which bites who ever they please, these dogs would not be suitable for majority of houses in HK. 2. the highly trained dog eg police K9, they need a lot of mental stimulation and daily work, so you would then need to be out of the house and turn your alarm on while you excercise this dog.
    I think any dog which has a protective streak is suitiable regardless of size (to a certain extent) an 8kg snarling terrier can be very effective. In my experience (only 3 dobermans) dobermans have not been all that effective as trained guard dogs compared to other breeds, in fact I find them too placid and dont concentrate well at tasks.
    Beware german shepherds, bad breeders will get you hip dysplasia amoungst a load of other problems and they can shed loads of hair indoors as well. Please consider carefully the full implications of getting a dog and if you would like to discuss more please PM kellbell.
    All the best


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyhook:
    The problem with taking on an intruder, no matter how well trained you are in martial arts, ex SAS or whatever alphamale chest beater BS you want to mouth off with, getting yourself killed, or killing the intruder by accident over some material possessions, seems a bit selfish and not very intelligent to me. Mad dog mentality, is much worse than the thief, in my opinion.
    Who said anything about killing an intruder? (EDIT: Oh right, wtb). I'd call the police if I heard a burglar moving around, but if they wandered into one of the bedrooms, I'd attempt to run them off (most likely to happen) or hold them for the police if I could. The last thing I'd want to do is get into a fight with a potentially armed intruder, but like KK, I'm prepared for that possibility regardless (as a last ditch option).

    Personally, if I was in someone's home and I encountered a very large and armed homeowner, I'd try to get out of there as quickly as possible.

    Back in the '90s, my aunt had a burglar run out of her flat in North Point when she got home from the supermarket. He pushed her out of the way and hightailed it down the stairs. He shimmied his way down the pipes and made his way in through her bathroom window: HK cat burglars are quite good at what they do.
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    Jay,

    As I stated earlier, if you confront an intruder, you have no idea what's in store, agree totally that it is best to avoid the chance of confrontation, unless there is absolutely no other choice.

    Nobody wants to end up getting hurt/killed/ or jailed, because of not being able to think clearly during a high pressure situation.... If you injure the perp you will be legally liable for the injuries inflicted, so unless the perp places you in a life threatening situation, requiring extreme self defence/force, I don't see the use of violence to be useful in any other case. In nearly all instances of Sai Kung hot burgluries, when the intruder was known to be there, they run away once detected, to avoid being caught. It's not at all common for them to take you on, unless you make the first move and a struggle takes place, in which case, your fate is left to chance.

    I think Mr Washingtons lady friend handled things in a very sensible manner.

    Last edited by Skyhook; 16-09-2009 at 09:47 AM.

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    I had the same thing happen to me... my house was broken into, and robbed. thank god my wife wasn't at home. i purchased a dog from chris at protectiondogbroker.com, and he delivered it to my house. I have been very happy with him, you might want to check it out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Caron:
    no i want to walk down the street with a pit bull and see people move toward the curb. can chain it with a chain not a synthetic leash when at the local store.
    you dont need no dog. you would probably scare more people with a chain around your neck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immrlucky:
    I had the same thing happen to me... my house was broken into, and robbed. thank god my wife wasn't at home. i purchased a dog from chris at protectiondogbroker.com, and he delivered it to my house. I have been very happy with him, you might want to check it out.
    U mean they delivered a dog to your house in HK, the website phone number country code is 801. Which country is that.

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    That would be Utah in the US.

    Skyhook: Yes, I understand using force has a continuum and that lethal force is only to be used in a life or death situation. My home defense solution in the US was a pump action 12 gauge shotgun, and state law meant I couldn't even point it at an intruder unless they were armed.

    I don't see getting into a confrontation with a burglar being very likely here, since most burglars do not want to go hand to hand (or worse) with a homeowner. If you are robbed here, however, you will most likely have to contend with several armed individuals. My dad had to deal with that twice in the '80s and '90s, but that's outside the scope of this thread.

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