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    Quote Originally Posted by virago:
    Singapore - Con - no internet porn.:leghump
    Honestly that sucks. But lets face it virtual sex is never going to be as good as the real thing and here Singapore ROCKS!

    I've never lived in Singapore but I go there many times a year, and each time I do it seems more and more "lived in", and a city that I want to live in.

    Hong Kong on the other hand seems to be rapidly disappearing up a dark void of shopping mall of same same outlets and urban renewal. More and more a city I don't like living in.

    While Singapore protects its heritage Hong Kong throws it away for short sighted greed.

    Over the years I've seen the magical cultural diversity of Singapore, first bottled and sold as some kind of resort attraction, fight back. Singapore has taken back its city, beautifully preserved and all. It's no longer Disneyland but a rather wonderful Utopia of food culture beauty and intrigue. Now we just wait for the socio-political gap to catch up. And boy it is in leaps and bounds. It wont be long in my opinion before Singapore even has a gay prime minister.

    Hong Kong hasn't had a magical touch. It get flatter by the day, not simply because they dump their mountains into the harbour and knock down their heritage (too late) but because its losing its charm and intrigue by the minute, the very stuff that made it Hong Kong. China as big brother and the future looks bleak.
    The very last vestiges of this intrigue are totted as a single tourist destination, the rest already long long gone.
    Hong Kong wants to reinvent itself as one giant shopping mall stuffed with tourists. Where the locals are going to live is any ones idea but I don't suppose they mind, as long as they can trade.

    Singapore has fast over taken HK even as a tourist destination its just so much prettier and closer to Thailand, certainly for the Chinese who like a good bargain like the most of us.
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    All those new malls are for the mainlanders love of HK products. Nearly 20 million mainland tourists came to HK this year. They are expecting this will continue to grow at 25% a year. From a retail point of view it's all about them at the moment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul101:
    Honestly that sucks. But lets face it virtual sex is never going to be as good as the real thing and here Singapore ROCKS!

    I've never lived in Singapore but I go there many times a year, and each time I do it seems more and more "lived in", and a city that I want to live in.

    Hong Kong on the other hand seems to be rapidly disappearing up a dark void of shopping mall of same same outlets and urban renewal. More and more a city I don't like living in.

    While Singapore protects its heritage Hong Kong throws it away for short sighted greed.

    Over the years I've seen the magical cultural diversity of Singapore, first bottled and sold as some kind of resort attraction, fight back. Singapore has taken back its city, beautifully preserved and all. It's no longer Disneyland but a rather wonderful Utopia of food culture beauty and intrigue. Now we just wait for the socio-political gap to catch up. And boy it is in leaps and bounds. It wont be long in my opinion before Singapore even has a gay prime minister.

    Hong Kong hasn't had a magical touch. It get flatter by the day, not simply because they dump their mountains into the harbour and knock down their heritage (too late) but because its losing its charm and intrigue by the minute, the very stuff that made it Hong Kong. China as big brother and the future looks bleak.
    The very last vestiges of this intrigue are totted as a single tourist destination, the rest already long long gone.
    Hong Kong wants to reinvent itself as one giant shopping mall stuffed with tourists. Where the locals are going to live is any ones idea but I don't suppose they mind, as long as they can trade.

    Singapore has fast over taken HK even as a tourist destination its just so much prettier and closer to Thailand, certainly for the Chinese who like a good bargain like the most of us.
    Yes, yes, but which one do you prefer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by virago:
    All those new malls are for the mainlanders love of HK products. Nearly 20 million mainland tourists came to HK this year. They are expecting this will continue to grow at 25% a year. From a retail point of view it's all about them at the moment.
    Unfortunately from every point of view it's all about them. But what about Hong Kongs future?

    I don't envisage the same growth of tourism to Hong Kong as 25% a year at all.

    No in my opinion this will rapidly decline as the Chinese tourist boom spreads itself out. HK was convenient but not cheap as a shopping destination., But hey guess what the Chinese are as sussed as the rest of the world these days and getting more by the day and know Thailand is cheaper for example, or want to relax on a beach in the sun or deep sea dive etc. Not only that but they want to see the world not some giant shopping mall.

    Singapore i reckon is one step ahead on this, one hours boat ride and you are in ecological paradise, you can still get that freaking camera on the way in the airport.

    And Singapore is lovely a garden of eden an area where HK is losing the battle badly. HK is not only so polluted that you (not today i might add (: ) need a mask issued at customs ,but the sea is filthy most of the time and what's there to do after shopping?

    Some silly "Disneyland experience".

    Singapore is no longer that experience but Hong Kong very much is.

    Times change, when I first came here in '80 Hong Kong was Xanadu, now no more, Singapore is the growing pleasure dome now and that's all there is to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryant.english:
    Yes, yes, but which one do you prefer?
    Singapore without a doubt. On every level. You think politically HK is superior???? Anyone?

    Remember at least Singapore is independent and has the option and ability/potentail to be able to change for the better, HK well nah it can only get worse, democracy is a never ending dream held clenched in China's fist.

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    China is also independent.


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    good point, however i think it will take a nation wide peasant/labour revolt to change anything there and without an army not likely?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul101:
    Unfortunately from every point of view it's all about them. But what about Hong Kongs future?

    I don't envisage the same growth of tourism to Hong Kong as 25% a year at all.

    No in my opinion this will rapidly decline as the Chinese tourist boom spreads itself out. HK was convenient but not cheap as a shopping destination., But hey guess what the Chinese are as sussed as the rest of the world these days and getting more by the day and know Thailand is cheaper for example, or want to relax on a beach in the sun or deep sea dive etc. Not only that but they want to see the world not some giant shopping mall.

    Singapore i reckon is one step ahead on this, one hours boat ride and you are in ecological paradise, you can still get that freaking camera on the way in the airport.

    And Singapore is lovely a garden of eden an area where HK is losing the battle badly. HK is not only so polluted that you (not today i might add (: ) need a mask issued at customs ,but the sea is filthy most of the time and what's there to do after shopping?

    Some silly "Disneyland experience".

    Singapore is no longer that experience but Hong Kong very much is.

    Times change, when I first came here in '80 Hong Kong was Xanadu, now no more, Singapore is the growing pleasure dome now and that's all there is to it.
    No way. 25% for the next 10 years at least. Unless mainland China relaxes the sales and import taxes that hike up luxury goods nearly 40% for some items HK will continue to get a flood of mainlanders. Inflation is alot higher and people are even turning up into HK to buy food. The revaluation of the Yuan will continue and buying power on the mainland will decrease. More Chinese will continue to grow richer which will continue to feed travellers into HK.

    Some retailers in HK are growing 30-40% a year over the last few years and this will continue.

    BTW I don't disagree with your comments for Singapore having not lived there or spent alot of time there so I can't really comment.

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    Hey ever heard of Chinas knew and urgent rush to curb inflation, ah ha crude though it be they are severely going to limiting the amount of cash circulating. It pays to be in control, it seems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul101:
    Singapore without a doubt. On every level. You think politically HK is superior???? Anyone?
    I think a little bit naive, the multi-candidate constituency system hands over the PAP a huge majority and it is funny how the minority parties are active in single member constituencies. At least in Hong Kong the corporates have a blatant and open vote (I think even foreign government had a say for a while via their consulates).

    There are merits to the Singaporean system whereby minorities are well represented, but myself being an expat or even visitor I do enjoy hearing about local political issues without libel issues.

    In Hong Kong I hear politics all the time (taxis, noise outside banks, veggie seller grumbles, in the bars), in Singapore, the best (and last) I heard was when a bunch of teenagers interrogating MM Lee on TV four years ago without the subject being dodged very quickly.

    Again if I am wrong on the above please correct me.
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