Whats the chances of an Aussie girl meeting a nice expat...

muse07 · 22-11-2008, 05:03 PM

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hullexile · 22-11-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchDrinker:

Still don't get it? Let me help you out here. What I meant was:

What's the bloody big deal about DHs / professional ladies down Wanchai with degrees, when one wouldn't make the same sort of fuss over people with some degree from some unknown / dubious uni's in say the UK? I simply see no reason why the degrees of DHs / hookers should get elevated to a different level just because of what they are, and I fail to see why men seem to be so impressed by it.

I cant help feeling that there is some hidden history behind your attacks. No one said they were impressed, no one said their qualifications were more important or impressive. No one mentioned the girls from Wan Chai. Where do you get this all from? This is why I think it is personal with you, I assume a partner has dallied where he shouldn't. The only point made was that DHs are not necessarily uneducated just because of the job they do. Simple fact.

hullexile · 22-11-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by muse07:

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I know the feeling, but from the other side of the argument.

MovingIn07 · 22-11-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by hullexile:

Where do you get this all from? This is why I think it is personal with you, I assume a partner has dallied where he shouldn't.

I think that's quite enough - completely uncalled for and plain rude (yes, that was me who just red blobbed you). None of this is helping the OP and you are acting like a child. I've met scotchdrinker and her husband and they are lovely people - you should apologise.

emmie · 22-11-2008, 06:34 PM

What's happening on here.

Where's the gleam-in-the-eye, yet thoughtful, banter of different views - and experiences?

Not saying that everything fleetingly shared must be pleasantly "entertaining", but why this intensifying CLOUD?

Keep seeing the absurb bits of life - and of oneself - for what it is... And roll with the blows

hullexile · 22-11-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by MovingIn07:

I think that's quite enough - completely uncalled for and plain rude (yes, that was me who just red blobbed you). None of this is helping the OP and you are acting like a child. I've met scotchdrinker and her husband and they are lovely people - you should apologise.

I will respond, so sorry to everyone else.

No I will not apologise. SD may be a very nice person to you but from her previous posts on other threads as well as this one she does seem to have a strong personal dislike for women from SE Asia. That's her right of course. However, when she makes derogatory comments in public then I have the right to challenge her. For example why did she feel the need to lump DHs and working girls in the same group? Do you not think that many DHs would find that offensive? Or do you think the feelings of DHs are not worth the same consideration as a nice middle aged white expat? I am sorry that you consider this childish, but I do not like people who make generalised value statements based on race or colour. Its just the way I was brought up - to treat all people as individuals deserving of respect until they, as individuals not race, nationality, culture, wealth, money, class, occupation whatever show me otherwise - be they working girls, DHs, street cleaners, brain surgeons, millionaires, poverty stricken, highly educated, completely uneducated. I do not think you, or SD, value people the same way so end of conversation really.

er2 · 22-11-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by MovingIn07:

I think that's quite enough - completely uncalled for and plain rude (yes, that was me who just red blobbed you). None of this is helping the OP and you are acting like a child. I've met scotchdrinker and her husband and they are lovely people - you should apologise.

Well, and that was me who just red blobbed SD, too bad we're all that much in the green that noone will ever notice

. First, OP's questions are long answered, in detail, and ScotchDrinkers remarks weren't helpful to the OP at all. Second, I've no idea why it was necessary for her, in response to Hulls comments, just throw Hookers and DHs into the same basket. Yes, nothing said explicitly, but that doesn't make it less offensive.

Anyway, Hull, you might consider that you're the only grown up here and act wisely according to your age

Originally Posted by ScotchDrinker:

Still don't get it? Let me help you out here. What I meant was:

What's the bloody big deal about DHs / professional ladies down Wanchai with degrees, when one wouldn't make the same sort of fuss over people with some degree from some unknown / dubious uni's in say the UK? I simply see no reason why the degrees of DHs / hookers should get elevated to a different level just because of what they are, and I fail to see why men seem to be so impressed by it.

Ok, let me explain then. I'm doing a PhD here and have to work as a TA here in Chinese U. Which means that every week I see students who couldn't care less about their subject, and who know everything that might someday be asked in an exam (or especially in a standardised test) but nothing beyond. They openly admit that they do it only because it will get them a better paying job. If they were told that, despite their education, the best paying job they would get would be cleaning up somebody else's trash, they would have dropped out of school after Form 5.
I do respect the DHs, especially those with a degree, for taking a job with such a low status in order to help people they have to leave behind for doing so. And, in most cases, this is just because of where they were born. Heck, I strongly doubt I'd be sitting here studying if I had been born in the Phils, or in Mexico, or in India. We just got lucky.
Anyway, noone asked you to be impressed with their degrees. You are perfectly right to treat them just the same as someone from Bolton U. That was all that Hull originally said - accept that they have an education that allows you to have a decent conversation with them (you question this when meeting people from Bolton U?) You were the only one bickering about the "impressed" part.

MovingIn07 · 22-11-2008, 08:48 PM

OK - so you both objected to SD lumping sex workers with domestic helpers. I think all that did was highlight that you clearly believe that sex workers are "below" DH's - how is that fair to sex workers - who are probably also doing this job to support relatives etc etc. Perhaps SD does not think that sex workers are lowly and hence did not realise you would take it as a slur - it's YOUR interpretation, not hers.

Anyway, having met her, seeing you guys describe her as "white and middle aged" is, frankly, hilarious.

er2 · 22-11-2008, 09:12 PM

come on, don't go all school yard here i don't think lowly of working girls - well. At least i'd say i don't think i think low of them, although th thought of dating one feels a bit arkward. But the point is that calling someone's wife a former hooker is commonly agreed as a severe insult. Calling her a former dh - much less so. And i don't see where hull calls her white and middle aged- i'd say he refers here to the level of respect a dh should get, not to scotchdrinker. And on need to use plural - i made on assumptions about sd, for all i know she might be a bloke.
Anyway, it is nice to see that you're online reading this. I feel less miserable if i know i'm not the only one sentenced to spend this night in front of a screen;-)