Travelling to the UK during this pandemic.

[Pauljoecoe]

As many report struggling to get tested that’s an undercount.

4000 a DAY not total. If you remember exponential growth from school you’ll see why that’s nothing to shrug off.

Personally not shrugging anything off. I just think quoting a number is pointless without context. Also there are areas of the UK with virtually nil cases.

And of course many who have it will not get tested because they don't know they have it/they have a mild version of it. No doubt all countries are undercounting

Getting back to the original post -'is it safe to travel to the UK'? It all depends.....

[civil_servant]

Also there are areas of the UK with virtually nil cases.

That just means that other areas are much worse than the average.

[jonastainine]

The numbers are worrying. My son is flying to Heathrow next week to start his year as a grad student at Oxford.

[greenmark]

The numbers are worrying. My son is flying to Heathrow next week to start his year as a grad student at Oxford.

Flew to UK last night. Just arrived for a two week stay for family reasons.

Last night the CX flight HKG-LHR was absolutely full. Not one single seat empty. Seemed to be 90% full of young Asian 20-somethings. Your son won't be alone.

[jonastainine]

Flew to UK last night. Just arrived for a two week stay for family reasons.

Last night the CX flight HKG-LHR was absolutely full. Not one single seat empty. Seemed to be 90% full of young Asian 20-somethings. Your son won't be alone.

HK is pretty much Covid safe so I should not worried about the crowded flight but parents keep worried thoughts!

[Sage]

As many report struggling to get tested that’s an undercount.

4000 a DAY not total. If you remember exponential growth from school you’ll see why that’s nothing to shrug off.

O.f c.o.u.r.s.e. 4,000 a day is an undercount as is 6,000 a day. I would hazard a guess (based on models) that the actual count in the UK now is between 20,000 and 60,000 infections per day.

And how many of those are dying? Well, in Sept so far that's 239 people.

In the same 23 day period another 46,000+ people in the UK have died of other causes (as they do every, 23 days, on avg.).

46,000 vs 239

[hullexile]

O.f c.o.u.r.s.e. 4,000 a day is an undercount as is 6,000 a day. I would hazard a guess (based on models) that the actual count in the UK now is between 20,000 and 60,000 infections per day.

And how many of those are dying? Well, in Sept so far that's 239 people.

In the same 23 day period another 46,000+ people in the UK have died of other causes (as they do every, 23 days, on avg.).

46,000 vs 239

That argument never goes away does it?

No idea why the Americans made such a fuss about 9/11, I mean more people die every day there from.other causes.

[Sage]

That argument never goes away does it?

No idea why the Americans made such a fuss about 9/11, I mean more people die every day there from.other causes.

Correct, it never goes away, and nor should it if one is trying to assert that travelling to the UK, or the US or HK etc etc etc is no longer 'safe'.

People's minds all too commonly run away with the idea that they're now suddenly in mortal danger that didn't exist before. They're always wrong, a.l.w.a.y.s., but they still keep spouting it none-the-less.

A bit of perspective should help keep it in check if logic plays any part in one's decision making.

[hullexile]

Correct, it never goes away, and nor should it if one is trying to assert that travelling to the UK, or the US or HK etc etc etc is no longer 'safe'.

People's minds all too commonly run away with the idea that they're now suddenly in mortal danger that didn't exist before. They're always wrong, a.l.w.a.y.s., but they still keep spouting it none-the-less.

A bit of perspective should help keep it in check if logic plays any part in one's decision making.

Of the 2,000 deaths a day how many are from contagious causes? I am guessing most are heart failure, cardiac arrests, cancer. So the risk of catching those on a trip to the UK is zero.

Of course no one should be thinking just about death. A few weeks in ICU is not fun. Permanent lung damage is not great.

[TheBrit]

That argument never goes away does it?

No idea why the Americans made such a fuss about 9/11, I mean more people die every day there from.other causes.

Best not to engage idiots who quote highly selective short term data. Sage is very worthy of the ignore list - you won't miss any insights by putting his faulty, biased and boring diatribes behind the Geoexpat filters.

He does try very hard but anyone with half a brain who bothers to read his rants ultimately thinks that's a couple of minutes of my life wasted.

Rarely has a poster chosen a more ill suited handle on here!