Like Tree1Likes

5 Years

Closed Thread
Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 LastLast
  1. #11

    Sell up if your not too happy - you are going to made considerable returns on your property and you will be able to relocate wherever you are from and buy a property at least twice as big.


  2. #12

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    45

    Until they start controlling the pollutions in Guangdong there really isn't much Hong Kong can do about the air.


  3. #13

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    407
    Quote Originally Posted by Petesy:
    Until they start controlling the pollutions in Guangdong there really isn't much Hong Kong can do about the air.
    For you I suggest reading this page down to China and Hong Kong Myth and Fact

  4. #14

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    45
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbybo:
    For you I suggest reading this page down to China and Hong Kong Myth and Fact
    Which pretty much agrees with me.

    Stricter emission controls on buses will help, but the air will still be crap in winter, when the pollution from the heavy industry areas like Fushan and Dongguan gets blown over.

  5. #15

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    407
    Quote Originally Posted by Petesy:
    Which pretty much agrees with me.

    Stricter emission controls on buses will help, but the air will still be crap in winter, when the pollution from the heavy industry areas like Fushan and Dongguan gets blown over.
    LOL, you first say that the pollution problem is almost all related to Guangdong, then you say that the website confirm your statement.
    But today is the 18th of August, summer, and the OP is complaining about the horrible air TODAY.

  6. #16

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    45

    The page you sent me talked mostly with Guangdong's pollution. The small paragraph that has anything to do with Hong Kong didn't deny that 80% of our pollution comes from China, it's merely asking how much of it is coming from Hong Kong owned power stations which are taking no action.

    Did you notice people complain about the air being worse than in the early 90's? Since 1990 we have moved virtually all our factories to China, shut down all 4 incinerators, closed down 3 power plants and converted all our taxis to run on natural gas.

    We have lost most of our sources of pollution and our air actually got worse, if it's not from Guangdong how else can we produce it?

    And today's air isn't even that bad. Try one of the winter days when all we see in Tung Chung is grey smog.

    dear giant likes this.

  7. #17

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    407

    We probably don't read the same thing.

    "Myth: All our pollution comes from China so there is nothing we can do.

    Fact:

    70% of our roadside pollution is put there by dirty diesel vehicles. 50% of Hong Kong people live or work near a busy road.

    In Sep 2004, the EPD claimed that 80% of our pollution comes from China.

    But how much is coming from Hong Kong owned power stations which are taking no action?

    In summer, the wind blows Hong Kong's pollution right into China and adds to their own. In the winter, the reverse is true. But when the air is still, we each sit in our own filth as it builds up over several days. These are the worst pollution days of the year. This is when you really see how much pollution Hong Kong generates daily. In summer it is often called "typoon weather" because the wind pattern changes and the air either blows the other way, or is very still if there is a typhoon around."

    And

    "May 2004.

    The air pollution from our neighbours, Shenzhen SAR and the province of Guangdong, mostly affects Hong Kong in the winter. According to the Hong Kong Government, filthy old coal power plants, previously closed because of environmental concerns, are being reopened in Guangdong to try and meet the need for power - driven by Hong Kong businesses opening and operating in the province.

    Over the last 2 years, the number of days with utterly disgusting air - over 100 on the air pollution index - rose sharply. Not at roadside, where our diesel vehicles are to blame, but up in the air. That meant that the pollution engulfing us was from the mainland.

    But is Hong Kong innocent? Not by a long shot.

    Follow the money trail.

    Hong Kong's power supply is governed by something call a "Scheme of Control" and guarantees at least a 13.5% profit per year for our two power companies: (figures below as of 2003)

    Hong Kong Electric Company (60%) - Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings (40%)
    Hong Kong Island and Islands -

    100% coal

    China Light and Power (40% owner) - Exxon Mobile (60% owner)
    Kowloon and New Territories

    50 % coal - from Castle Peak, New Territories.
    30 % nuclear - from Daya Bay, Guangdong
    20 % Gas - from Black Point, New Territories

    Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings (45% owner)
    Zhuhai Power Plant (very near Macau) -

    100% coal - built in 2000 no desulpherization.

    They have found that recent higher oil costs and more limited supply have made burning oil less profitable - so this year they have converted from cleaner oil, back to filthy coal. And it is blowing into China and all over Castle Peak right here in Hong Kong. Or blowing back in from the CKI Zhuhai plant near Macau."

    It's easy to blame Mainland, but as you can read, HK is producing its own pollution in HK and in Mainland.

    Last edited by Bobbybo; 18-08-2006 at 11:28 PM.

  8. #18

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    407

    Petesy, check how many HK companies opened factories in Guangdong and check how many really care about environment. So, they do the dirty job in Guangdong and then complain about the pollution in HK. How pathetic is it?


  9. #19

    It's Pollution.

    Live with It.

    It's going nowhere. Nothing one can do to change it.


  10. #20

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    213

    dont let the door hit your behind on the way out.