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    Road side pollution is caused by too many cars an dthe Government wants more

    Harbour tunnel consultation opens
    November 09, 2010

    The Transport & Housing Bureau issued a public consultation document today on the findings and recommendations of the Consultancy Study on Rationalising the Utilisation of Road Harbour Crossings. The three-month public consultation will run until February 9.

    The Transport & Housing Bureau said the Government appreciates the public's concern about the uneven traffic distribution among the three crossings. It has commissioned a consultancy study for a comprehensive analysis of the traffic distribution and to recommend feasible options to achieve the optimum traffic flow.

    The consultancy report set out various combinations of toll adjustments, including adjusting the tolls of the Cross-Harbour Tunnel only, adjusting the tolls of all three crossings, and adjusting the tolls of the Cross-Harbour Tunnel and Eastern Harbour Crossing.

    Various sectors of the community advocate a wide range of implementation options, including buying back the tunnels, franchise extensions, common ownership and peak-hour surcharges. Implementation of options such as the provision of a toll rebate to tunnel users or concessions to franchisees to achieve better traffic re-distribution has also been suggested.

    The bureau noted some of the toll-adjustment combinations raised by the consultants will increase operating costs for commercial vehicles. It will consider the potential impact of these combinations on various sectors.

    A three-month consultation will launch on November 9. People are welcome to submit views by February 9. The consultation document and the full report have been uploaded to the bureau's website . Send views to the bureau by post to 14/F, Murray Building, Garden Road, Central, by fax to 3904 1774 or by email.


    If you read the report it seems the transport department wants all three tunnels 'optimised' so all the roads are saturated with congestion.

    If you would like less roadside pollution caused by subsidised road tunnels please write to [email protected] and say so

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    It is all part of many people's daily life that they need to cross the harbour. There are no good incentives for HK people to use the east and west tunnels instead of the central tunnel, or not to use the tunnels at all (going MTR instead).


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    THEIR words "feasible options to achieve the optimum traffic flow."

    YOUR words "so all the roads are saturated with congestion."

    Are you trying to audition for a job with Fox News? Seems accurate representing of the facts have a low level on your particular totem pole when all HKG is to trying to do is STOP the congestion caused by HK'rs chasing the lowest toll option to get on the island. There is no mechanism in this to even faintly suggest that this is encouraging MORE traffic onto the roads. ANY REASONABLE PERSON would see its all about making it easier for those already there.


    Seems reasonable to me but you would rather spin the story because your a hippy with an agenda?


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    My wife and I dread taking the MTR, especially during peak usage hours, as you have to be constantly on your guard against imbeciles hitting you with their backpacks, elbowing you, running over your feet with their rusty trollies, etc. There's also the noise (people carrying on conversations with other passengers seated across the aisle from them, using their mobiles as though they were megaphones or tin cans with string dangling out the other end, etc.) and stench (b.o., mildew, mothballs -- choose your poison). Then, when you get to your destination, you often have to knock down half a dozen people who aren't able to grasp the meaning of the arrows affixed to the platforms in front of each and every train door.

    The taxis mostly stink to high heaven and the drivers are semi-suicidal, compulsive-gambling crooks who wouldn't pass a driving test anywhere else and who use the gas pedal as though it were the throttle on a rocket motor in a space ship (on / off / on / off).

    Buses and minibuses combine the worst aspects of the MTR and taxis: crap drivers plus loads of people whom you need to be wary of.


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    Indeed, who could possibly want to suffer a little inconvenience when you can spend thousands of dollars on a car every month happily polluting away without a care in the world. After all, being inconvenienced is so much more important than breathing cleaner air. Who cares that last year, one out of every eight days were over 100 in Central...

    It's so much worse to smell a little armpit odor than belching exhaust from cars...


    Quote Originally Posted by dear giant:
    My wife and I dread taking the MTR, especially during peak usage hours, as you have to be constantly on your guard against imbeciles hitting you with their backpacks, elbowing you, running over your feet with their rusty trollies, etc. There's also the noise (people carrying on conversations with other passengers seated across the aisle from them, using their mobiles as though they were megaphones or tin cans with string dangling out the other end, etc.) and stench (b.o., mildew, mothballs -- choose your poison). Then, when you get to your destination, you often have to knock down half a dozen people who aren't able to grasp the meaning of the arrows affixed to the platforms in front of each and every train door.

    The taxis mostly stink to high heaven and the drivers are semi-suicidal, compulsive-gambling crooks who wouldn't pass a driving test anywhere else and who use the gas pedal as though it were the throttle on a rocket motor in a space ship (on / off / on / off).

    Buses and minibuses combine the worst aspects of the MTR and taxis: crap drivers plus loads of people whom you need to be wary of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris:
    all HKG is to trying to do is STOP the congestion
    Hardly. They reclaim land to build roads, e.g. at Central, then put new buildings there as well, generating more road demand. It's all a cosy merry-go-round for the construction and development cartel, and we pay the price with our respiratory health.

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    Well, I do believe that the government is quite keen on relieving congestion, no one likes to be stuck in traffic. Evening out the tolls make a lot of sense, I would increase all of them to the level of the western tunnel particularly at peak time so that people are more inclined to use public transport however, it'll more likely be a price somewhere in the middle. At least, they are doing something even if it isn't much.

    It's quite obvious though that there isn't a great deal of thought given to getting people out of their vehicles and reducing the pollution from commercial vehicles. Basically anything that will cost money and inconvenience businesses is not really looked at too seriously.Then again, most governments are not into rocking the boat and tend to cater to the people with money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris:
    There is no mechanism in this to even faintly suggest that this is encouraging MORE traffic onto the roads.
    I could of mis-read the full report but it seems to suggest ways to increase traffic in the Eastern and Western tunnels while not reducing actual throughput for the CHT.

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    All they need to do is make all 3 tunnels the same price, and the traffic will naturally sort it self out. Currently all that's happening, is all the traffic is being attracted to the cheaper tolled tunnels. How many diesel van drivers who need to get to Hospital Road ( lets say ) are going the long way round through the CHT instead of the much faster and direct WHT ? Make them all $30 and get on with it !

    If all tolls were equal, a lot of traffic that has been using central as its rat run, to get to Sheung Wan / Western District, will disperse correctly to the WHT as it was originally engineered to do...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookblogger:
    Hardly. They reclaim land to build roads, e.g. at Central, then put new buildings there as well, generating more road demand. It's all a cosy merry-go-round for the construction and development cartel, and we pay the price with our respiratory health.
    As you well know my comments where directed at the tunnel issue that the OP was spinning. What goes on in other places in HK is not the subject being discussed. Why you would try to work that in to this is between you and your own agenda. Not mine.

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