Hong Kong tops the most intolerant of other races list

[Gruntfuttock]

Aye. Not using this as an excuse, but HK people have never really settled down on an identity; one minute they are under the Chinese rule, a short stint under Japan, next they're under the British rule (with some areas at the time neither China nor a British colony), then back the China with this 50 year thing. Its not been that long with all this happening, maybe a generation or so with each (except for the rural Chinese beginnings that is), so it takes time, in some ways they are still finding their feet and realising (and accepting) what their true identity is.

I feel you need to go and read some history books.

[closedcasket]

Doesn't make it ok though. The chip on their shoulder needs to stop. 15+ yrs after the handover, relax you are in charge now.
Lead by example.

Who is in charge? Certainly not Hong Kong locals....

By "they" I hope you mean the communist party in Beijing.

[INXS]

Who is in charge? Certainly not Hong Kong locals....

By "they" I hope you mean the communist party in Beijing.

Yes...this morning I had to ask the CCP before I took my dog for a walk.

[Yeahbaby]

Back to my original statement... You are extremely defensive and have an obvious chip on your shoulder

No chip. Just considering it from the local viewpoint and also seeing it a different way.

And your rhetorical method of pointing your finger at me, doesn't cut it with me. And unlike the locals, I don't talk behind your back. I state it as it is. Just like you would. Just a Western cultural thing, right?

People throw out Racism easily. I don't disagree with the issues of prejudice or bias. But the worst, the most intolerant Racism in the world? The most intolerant race?

You may not feel welcomed at all times in HK society, but to agree with HK ethnic Chinese as the race that is most intolerant, leading up to discussions of racism... Then you see it obviously differently than me. Or you don't really know what it is or have been a true target of racism.

My issue is with the degree of perspective. But I can see those who won't even consider the different levels of bias to racism.

I ask again, the "most intolerant?" I just don't see that. You only need to read the title of the thread, and live your life among the population here to see it's not the case.

If you walk around entitled or thinking the color of your skin or where you came from gives you special recognition and privilege, then of course you are going to get a cold shoulder. Or walk around thinking the local ethnic Chinese man or woman doesn't like you, or that they have to be your friend/openly friendly.

Especially for local ethnic Chinese, that's just not how they operate; not as much any more after the 1997 handover. And in traditional Chinese society, relations are very private. Even among family. You aren't truly part of the "family" until you've live like them, believe what they do and become an active member of the family.

If you want to say, "not openly welcoming to outsiders," then I would agree. That's is very true. Even going as far as being "unfriendly", then in some circles or places/situations, I agree.

But there is no constant racial violence, and the society is very safe in HK. There is not an intense racial fear or fear of suppression/retribution just because of race. And if you leave them alone, they just leave you alone, too.

In this politically correct world, we lump HK's race relations with the big R. And an obviously biased article (the journalist corrected later) will sensationalize it. But you don't even question it? It's taken as fact?

Have you seen an African American being told to go to the back of the bus (even as late as the mid-1970's after the Civil Rights legislation) in the US. Maybe South Africa. Or an Asian person being told you're not quite that colored, you don't have to sit way back there?

Or the police pulling you over for inspection?

Or the police asking you to open the trunk for search as you are waiting on a sidewalk, and the car isn't even yours. Then searching your body because of suspicion that the car actually is yours?

Just balance the perspective and know the history of a place you immigrate permanently or choose to temporarily live.

But I know what the next retort is: "what happened before I landed means nothing to me." And of course, that is the same thinking that puts up barriers for better relations.

Race relations is always a two way street. When you point fingers or don't consider different perspectives, you get no further along. Especially if you choose to label HK as the most race intolerant in the world.

For you, it may be "it's one side against the other." Either you are on the Pro-racist camp or not. It's only black and white.

And having seen how Chinese politics-- government, society and family-- work, you won't be breaking down any barriers any time soon. It's far more complex. You will have to wait a very long time without the proper perspective.

[MovingIn07]

Without quoting your long post, in HK, people who are not white and not chinese (ie mainly brown people) are pulled over for ID checks regularly. Just check the threads on here about it. Similarly, people who are brown take MUCH longer to get their ID cards approved (see the long running thread about the dependent visa). PLENTY of institutional racism here.

[si0001]

Without quoting your long post, in HK, people who are not white and not chinese (ie mainly brown people) are pulled over for ID checks regularly. Just check the threads on here about it. Similarly, people who are brown take MUCH longer to get their ID cards approved (see the long running thread about the dependent visa). PLENTY of institutional racism here.

Racial profiling and different immigration rules for different countries? Too quick to call this "institutional racism" I think.

[MovingIn07]

Racial profiling and different immigration rules for different countries? Too quick to call this "institutional racism" I think.

Except perhaps for the way it all seems to align with race! Poor white people (eastern europeans for example) get NOTHING LIKE the difficulties poor brown people get.

[si0001]

Maybe you are right and HK immigration is racist but if your source of evidence is "they take longer to get visas" without taking into account that a citizen of say India may be subject to different requirements (and therefore processing time) than someone from Czech Republic then I'm skeptical.

[MovingIn07]

Maybe you are right and HK immigration is racist but if your source of evidence is "they take longer to get visas" without taking into account that a citizen of say India may be subject to different requirements (and therefore processing time) than someone from Czech Republic then I'm skeptical.

There is no difference in requirements for the same visa. Ie a dependent visa has the same requirement irrespective of nationality; so does a work visa. I was not including DH visas which are different animals in it.

[si0001]

Do you have any stats on average processing times or number of delayed visas for "whites" and "non-whites?"