China donates $100,000 to Philippines

[Cwbguy]

ONE single post, well thought out and written, as to why this donation is sufficent and should be perceived positively.

Let me grab a coffee, this should be interesting!

[HKITperson]

OK there's been a lot said here and apparently HKIT and INXS feel China was right to act as it did.

Could (whitout any name calling etc etc) these two gentlemen, lay down in one single post the reason as to why this donation form china is sufficient and should be perceived positively.

I know you have tried to give reasons here and there but to be frank it is all lost in the name calling, the references to chinese shitting on train (what has that got to do with the rest??) etcetc.

INXS, HKIT - the floor is yours:

ONE single post, well thought out and written, as to why this donation is sufficent and should be perceived positively.

Haha... What's this? I have no intention in entertaining a Kangaroo Court!

It's funny because in fact people in the Philippines are actually grateful for the donations no matter how much and they look positively at this whilst it's well... basically you at Geo that is feeling injustice which I suppose makes an enormous difference to world affairs.

Btw, Taiwan had donated $200K also. But of course no condemnation from you lot because they are the good Chinese, aren't they?

If you have a grievance, then perhaps organize a protest this coming Sunday.

[East_coast]

Taiwan had donated $200K also. But of course no condemnation from you lot because they are the good Chinese

Agreed the sum from Taiwan does not seem very high considering it is a neighbouring country but the rhetoric is slightly different as the Taiwanese government has also sent the Taiwan Root Medical Peace Corps to the worst affected areas and has said it is helping co-ordinate private donations from it citizens as well as private donations from political parties.

The two countries don't have formal diplomatic relations this complicates things.

[Mat]

HKIT - As I said, there is no need to compare or insult.

One well thought out post (and no name calling please, as you just did, ie "kangaroo") - please convince me.

I am not anti China, I am not pro china. I have my views which sometimes match yours, sometimes don't.

Btw, Taiwan donating 200K is not good either...but last I checked we are discussing here China because we, to a certain extend, live in China (not Taiwan). I guess lots of countries didn't donate anything...but that's not the point isn't it/

The point, is China, as a regional leader, 2nd economic power in the world, gave 100K to piss poor Philippine in the wake of one of the deadliest Typhoon ever.

Now, as I said, why is this donation OK and shoudl be seen as a positive sign?

[Cwbguy]

Mat-have you ever tried getting blood out of a stone?

[HKITperson]

HKIT - As I said, there is no need to compare or insult.

One well thought out post (and no name calling please, as you just did, ie "kangaroo") - please convince me.

I am not anti China, I am not pro china. I have my views which sometimes match yours, sometimes don't.

Btw, Taiwan donating 200K is not good either...but last I checked we are discussing here China because we, to a certain extend, live in China (not Taiwan). I guess lots of countries didn't donate anything...but that's not the point isn't it/

The point, is China, as a regional leader, 2nd economic power in the world, gave 100K to piss poor Philippine in the wake of one of the deadliest Typhoon ever.

Now, as I said, why is this donation OK and shoudl be seen as a positive sign?

MAT, this was not intentionally directed at you. Apologies if you thought so. However, there is a lynch mob lurking here which I do not wish to entertain because whatever I say, they will just jump upon.

However my position here is that a donation is voluntary and receipient should be grateful for whatever is given. I am not sure if that is high or low, simply because I have no idea what other factors come into play. Unlike the West, China does their diplomacy behind closed doors. They don't brag or shout from the rooftops that they are doing something but rather things get quietly done. Who knows what other short or long term benefits they had offered.

They have issued a statement that they have donated blankets and in light of the current political situation they took the view that offering a lot more would perhaps antagonize the Philippine Government and their own citizens back home so they had to find some balancing act. Also, the Philippines see the USA as their Regional big brother and protector and the first thing Aquino did was to contact the USA for assistance (Not China). This probably also sidelined them and could be considered a snub.

I am happy with the situation to offer them something now but that they are willing to contribute more if there is a need for more assistance either monetary or through other donations. this doesn't mean a lack of humanitarian feelings but being cagey in light of the current tensions.

Even if they provide this sum now, it could be very well be that they donate more in future rebuilding...etc. Just by throwing a lot of money and counting who has donated the most doesn't help the situation one bit.

And my view has nothing to do with being Pro China and I would have used the same argument whether this was any other country.

Again MAT sorry if I used the emotive "kangaroo Court" at you and I retract this.

[HKITperson]

Surely China can't be so arrogant to only give when requested.

Politics aside, economics aside, disputes aside - Give what you want, but give with a heart.

Agreed with your last points. This should never be in dispute but have you before said to someone "I am here if you need me" when you want to help that person but he/she does not want you around and not grateful to accept your help.
What do you do in that situation? Throw money and keep throwing at them, or wait till they calm down and then come back later and say "I was meant to give you this but I see that you were not in the mood in accepting at that time"

[shenwen]

OK there's been a lot said here and apparently HKIT and INXS feel China was right to act as it did.

Could (whitout any name calling etc etc) these two gentlemen, lay down in one single post the reason as to why this donation form china is sufficient and should be perceived positively.

I know you have tried to give reasons here and there but to be frank it is all lost in the name calling, the references to chinese shitting on train (what has that got to do with the rest??) etcetc.

INXS, HKIT - the floor is yours:

ONE single post, well thought out and written, as to why this donation is sufficent and should be perceived positively.

Come on, we have one poster, HKIT, who is under the impression that others are refusing to recognise his argument, when in fact they understand what he is saying but think it is a ridiculous stance to take, made worse by hilariously bad analogies.

Then we have another who is posting intentionally irrational and contradictory opinions and then sitting back and smiling while people take his bait again and again.

I don't think that either "feel China was right to act as it did", more that they feel it is right to defend China regardless of what it did. Both for different reasons I suspect.

You might as well ask the fox why he ate the gingerbread man.

[INXS]

OK there's been a lot said here and apparently HKIT and INXS feel China was right to act as it did.

Could (whitout any name calling etc etc) these two gentlemen, lay down in one single post the reason as to why this donation form china is sufficient and should be perceived positively.

I know you have tried to give reasons here and there but to be frank it is all lost in the name calling, the references to chinese shitting on train (what has that got to do with the rest??) etcetc.

INXS, HKIT - the floor is yours:

ONE single post, well thought out and written, as to why this donation is sufficent and should be perceived positively.

I haven't offered an opinion on whether the donation is sufficient because I don't have all the facts.

[rakedavids]

Agreed with your last points. This should never be in dispute but have you before said to someone "I am here if you need me" when you want to help that person but he/she does not want you around and not grateful to accept your help.
What do you do in that situation? Throw money and keep throwing at them, or wait till they calm down and then come back later and say "I was meant to give you this but I see that you were not in the mood in accepting at that time"

do you honestly believe the Philippines will turn down or be ungrateful for any financial help from China...? no human being will ever turn down any help unless they are extremely stubborn and arrogant. by the looks of it and their public request for help - they are neither.

Beijing is not worried about Philippines turning it down, they are worried about the Chinese public being pissed with them for donating money to a country they are in dispute with.