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    Shenwen didn't say anything about letting kids bet. You seemed to have pulled that out of thin air in your desperation to invent things to argue against.

    So Scrambler's recently had kids. There are all sorts of sacrificies and curtailments to lifestyle when that parents make when they have kids. Not being able to walk into a Jockey club while carrying a kid in order to buy a Mark 6 ticket is about as trivial as you can get on the scale of such things... to the extent that anyone would be hard pressed to call it a 'sacrifice' in the first place.

    What next- complaning about not being allowed into a pub to buy a quiet pint when carrying a five month old? After all, it's not like the kid is going to start downing vodka shots, so what's the problem?

    INXS pretty much nailed the reason for this prohibition being a good one.

    We really need a "First World Problems" subforum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgl:
    Shenwen didn't say anything about letting kids bet. You seemed to have pulled that out of thin air in your desperation to invent things to argue against.

    So Scrambler's recently had kids. There are all sorts of sacrificies and curtailments to lifestyle when that parents make when they have kids. Not being able to walk into a Jockey club while carrying a kid in order to buy a Mark 6 ticket is about as trivial as you can get on the scale of such things... to the extent that anyone would be hard pressed to call it a 'sacrifice' in the first place.

    What next- complaning about not being allowed into a pub to buy a quiet pint when carrying a five month old? After all, it's not like the kid is going to start downing vodka shots, so what's the problem?

    INXS pretty much nailed the reason for this prohibition being a good one.

    We really need a "First World Problems" subforum.
    Why ban kids in betting shops otherwise?

    Yes, we need a first world problem forum, it'll be an interesting addition to the usual third world problems we discuss.

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    Surely post #5 answers this? I don't tend to agree with INSX much, but he's pretty much nailed it in this thread.

    Edit: I also would be surprised if this were a stance unique to Hong Kong. I'm not familiar with betting establishments in other countries, but would expect similar rules to be standard in the US/Oz/etc. At least I'm pretty sure that you can't take kids or infants into casinos in other countries and would expect the same for betting shops.

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    The ban isn't to stop kids betting, it's to stop parents hanging around betting shops with their kids all day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by si0001:
    The ban isn't to stop kids betting, it's to stop parents hanging around betting shops with their kids all day.
    Protecting kids from kids from bad parents is probably a significant part of the reason kids are banned from betting shops but every person is different and we are not rational so the ban also helps reduce life forming habits for impressionable youngsters.

    Gambling makes little sense to many, a bit of fun for some and a terrible life debilitating addiction for an unfortunate few.

    You can not tell how your child will grow-up and interact with gambling. Just because you (or your close family) don't have a problem it doesn't mean your children won't. Exposure to a gambling environment is a major influence on gambling habits. No parent sets out to raise a gambling addict.

    There is no way a Government can stamp out gambling so doesn't society need to protect the vulnerable and try to reduce their access to 'thrill' of gambling at an impressionable age with laws like the ban on minors going into turf accountants? Mark 6 is generally a low value, low frequency event that doesn't really get the adrenaline running. Keeping kids away from gambling environments seems to make sense if society wants to reduce the potential of 'problem gambling' overall. It is very hard to draw the line of what is acceptable for entering a betting shop (popping in for a Mark Six, Popping in to watch a race but not bet, popping in for just a coffee etc) so an outright ban seems a sensible and hardly a 'jobsworth issue'.

    The simplest solution would probably to only allow the HKJC to sell Lottery tickets at convenience stores so there is clear demarcation between the types of gambling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drumbrake:
    Is a pregnant woman allowed inside? if yes, what would happen if she suddenly went into labour and gave birth? Would security decide it is against regulations and kick her and the new born baby out?


    honestly your name really suits you...


    firstly ofcourse a pregnant women is allowed in - the child is not born yet. seriously can you imagine if a women was only a month or two pregnant with no signs to anyone outside having to declare to the security at the door if she is pregnant or not...?


    if she suddenly went into labour - surely she still has about 20-30 mins before actual birth, unless ofcourse her water broke quite a while before she decided to get her Mark 6 ticket rather than rush to the hospital. The ambulance are quick if need be and surely there are enough ppl to help her in a cab to the hospital.


    Would security kick her and the baby out? Honestly go back to stupid land...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgl:
    Surely post #5 answers this? I don't tend to agree with INSX much, but he's pretty much nailed it in this thread.

    Edit: I also would be surprised if this were a stance unique to Hong Kong. I'm not familiar with betting establishments in other countries, but would expect similar rules to be standard in the US/Oz/etc. At least I'm pretty sure that you can't take kids or infants into casinos in other countries and would expect the same for betting shops.
    If the father is a gambling addict, this ban will not stop him or impact his kids...

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Protecting kids from kids from bad parents is probably a significant part of the reason kids are banned from betting shops but every person is different and we are not rational so the ban also helps reduce life forming habits for impressionable youngsters.

    Gambling makes little sense to many, a bit of fun for some and a terrible life debilitating addiction for an unfortunate few.

    You can not tell how your child will grow-up and interact with gambling. Just because you (or your close family) don't have a problem it doesn't mean your children won't. Exposure to a gambling environment is a major influence on gambling habits. No parent sets out to raise a gambling addict.

    There is no way a Government can stamp out gambling so doesn't society need to protect the vulnerable and try to reduce their access to 'thrill' of gambling at an impressionable age with laws like the ban on minors going into turf accountants? Mark 6 is generally a low value, low frequency event that doesn't really get the adrenaline running. Keeping kids away from gambling environments seems to make sense if society wants to reduce the potential of 'problem gambling' overall. It is very hard to draw the line of what is acceptable for entering a betting shop (popping in for a Mark Six, Popping in to watch a race but not bet, popping in for just a coffee etc) so an outright ban seems a sensible and hardly a 'jobsworth issue'.

    The simplest solution would probably to only allow the HKJC to sell Lottery tickets at convenience stores so there is clear demarcation between the types of gambling.
    They don't want to stamp out gambling anyway, not when the HKJC being a significant contributor to the government's tax revenue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watercooler:
    They don't want to stamp out gambling anyway, not when the HKJC being a significant contributor to the government's tax revenue...
    The same argument could be made for cigarettes. Both offer very little benefit to society so it is better to regulate and tax them as you can NOT marginalize them.

    If gambling could be demonized so much that society shunned it enmasse the tax dollars could almost certainly be raised elsewhere. But having a little flutter on the horses is not really such a bad thing in the most part. Just need to make sure it is well regulated and the loan sharks, triads and the less pleasant parts of society are kept out of this most basic but reckless desire to gamble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrambler:
    got thrown out of the jokeyclub earlier.. walked in with a 5 month old in a backpack carrier thing..

    apparently people under 18 arent allowed in?

    its a bit of WTH moment.. since I jus wanted to buy mark 6... an Icouldnt really hand the kid to a passin stranger..

    is it really the case that a 5 month baby cant be taken into there? on what rational I cant work out - 12 year old kid yeh I gettit -

    but to buy a lottery ticket?!! with a baby? i was tryin to reason - but then some guy actually grabbed me by the arm?

    ridiculous!!
    Dude, next time take baby out of carrier, immediately pass it to the door security, they will be shocked and just hold the baby, run into buy mark six, the security will still be standing there shocked, after buying ticket, take baby back, say thanks and move on.

    or have a large camouflage jacket to hide baby inside, pretend your a fat bastard

    Wahey!!!!
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