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Are you a theist or an atheist? Is it wrong to be the latter?

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    In my opinion, neither science nor religion are able provide satisfactory answers at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chingleutsch
    I don't mind what beliefs you hold as long as you have genuinely worked through the options for yourself, and don't merely parrot what you hear around you, whether it's from the Dalai Lama, Ian Paisley, Stephen Fry, or ... ...
    So, you present a screwed-up interpretation of the Theory of Evolution.
    Accuse people who find evolution more credible then Adam & Eve of parroting Stephen Fry.
    Dismiss the consensus of 93% of the National Academy of Scientists as 'faith'.
    Parrots Christian apologists John Lennox and Ravi Zacharias (because you can't explain it as well).

    Glad to see you managed to think it all out for yourself.
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    Typical twisting of comment in order to try to ridicule a poster...Never was it said that those finding evolution more credible were parroting Stephen Fry.

    Whenever the word theory is mentioned, it has to involve a certain amount of faith until they are proven.

    This poster is the perfect example of the atheist suffering from a sentiment of superiority towards others and is incapable of respectful dialogue when it comes to this subject


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    I wish I understood what you lot are on about.I was just advocating tolerance


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    Personally we're an Athiest family, I've been quite satisfied living my life within the natural world and the logical science that tries best to explain it. This does not mean however, that I'm closed minded about it, more a healthy curiosity to explore the boundaries, if anything.

    I feel that as modern society has become better educated, we are more willing to ask pertinent questions, more demanding of empirical evidence to support various arguments about religion. So I dont concern myself with matters of blind faith. I'll keep an open mind and prefer sound logic than a mysterious explanation, or ancient story.

    I understand early on in human recorded history, religion was used as an instrument of control of the peasant masses more than anything else, it once stopped the god fearing poor and uneducated of society, from killing the rich.( we now have judicial laws for that) That's my point of view but it seems logical enough to me. I don't see it particularly relevant ( religion in general ) in the 21st century, when we're better educated than at any other time, a scientific/technological world, a world that we owe most of our human achievements, technologically/medically, to science. Manned space flight and aerospace for example, are the byproducts of repeatable scientific process, ( logical ) not based on blind faith or praying to a god, or throwing chicken bones in the air.

    Probably what I am trying to say is, I'm not at all superstitious in any way, shape, or form. I place my trust in sound, or proven scientific (known) laws and keep an open mind to the continual pursuit and gathering of evidence to better understand theory. Our human ability to question and constantly learn is what makes life interesting, to not just accept an ancient story, but to seek answers, I think that is healthy.

    I don't mind what people think, or feel, in the sanctity of their own home, that's totally allowed in a civillised society, but I'm not comfortable with religion having any influence of governance and prefer a distinct separation between church and state.

    That's my 20 cents worth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyhook
    Personally we're an Athiest family, I've been quite satisfied living my life within the natural world and the logical science that tries best to explain it. This does not mean however, that I'm closed minded about it, more a healthy curiosity to explore the boundaries, if anything.

    I feel that as modern society has become better educated, we are more willing to ask pertinent questions, more demanding of empirical evidence to support various arguments about religion. So I dont concern myself with matters of blind faith. I'll keep an open mind and prefer sound logic than a mysterious explanation, or ancient story.

    I understand early on in human recorded history, religion was used as an instrument of control of the peasant masses more than anything else, it once stopped the god fearing poor and uneducated of society, from killing the rich.( we now have judicial laws for that) That's my point of view but it seems logical enough to me. I don't see it particularly relevant ( religion in general ) in the 21st century, when we're better educated than at any other time, a scientific/technological world, a world that we owe most of our human achievements, technologically/medically, to science. Manned space flight and aerospace for example, are the byproducts of repeatable scientific process, ( logical ) not based on blind faith or praying to a god, or throwing chicken bones in the air.

    Probably what I am trying to say is, I'm not at all superstitious in any way, shape, or form. I place my trust in sound, or proven scientific (known) laws and keep an open mind to the continual pursuit and gathering of evidence to better understand theory. Our human ability to question and constantly learn is what makes life interesting, to not just accept an ancient story, but to seek answers, I think that is healthy.

    I don't mind what people think, or feel, in the sanctity of their own home, that's totally allowed in a civillised society, but I'm not comfortable with religion having any influence of governance and prefer a distinct separation between church and state.

    That's my 20 cents worth.
    And a totally acceptable and logical approach. I would question "in their own home" as that would rule out churches etc. I guess you didn't mean it literally though.

    The separation of church and state is something I strongly agree with and something we suffer badly from in the Philippines despite that separation being enshrined in the Constitution.

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