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  1. #41

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    I want to say something ...

    I have never been to Australia. I don't know much about it. But I have had friends in Hong Kong move there and talk as if the grass will be greener there (and I don't doubt it probably is).

    But isn't Australia kind of shit? Messed up, shady politicians, bush fires, unstable environment generally, rampant racism, bullying, oppression of an ethnic minority, some violence, trashy drunk people, Gina Rinehart, crocodiles.

    Sure you get this elsewhere, but just what I vaguely pick up from reading the news it doesn't sound very good...

    What am I missing? How do you put that in perspective?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiaque
    I want to say something ...

    I have never been to Australia. I don't know much about it. But I have had friends in Hong Kong move there and talk as if the grass will be greener there (and I don't doubt it probably is).

    But isn't Australia kind of shit? Messed up, shady politicians, bush fires, unstable environment generally, rampant racism, bullying, oppression of an ethnic minority, some violence, trashy drunk people, Gina Rinehart, crocodiles.

    Sure you get this elsewhere, but just what I vaguely pick up from reading the news it doesn't sound very good...

    What am I missing? How do you put that in perspective?
    Kind of shit could be said to apply to most places to be fair. If you don't have the right attitude, or it just isn't you.

    I've lived in Australia, and my four adult children live in Brisbane.

    Three of them have become citizens, because they find the place is great and better than New Zealand.

    Unfortunately, being down and out bums complaining about everything didn't appeal, so they got educated, travelled the world, volunteered, got good jobs, and now live together in a very posh big house with a swimming pool & a tennis court, having a great time.

    Sometimes they are even trashy and drunk. Mostly the youngest to be fair.

    They give their time to others, working at koala sanctuaries, refuges, helping refugees, campaigning against things they don't like, voting in elections for non-shady politicians. Because you don't change a thing by moaning and saying no thanks. My eldest, having completed her chemistry PhD, is now doing a masters in NGO management, and hopes to put her science stuff to good use by working with environmental groups to ensure their policies actually work and are based on evidence, instead of making things worse as a lot do currently by making rubbish memes on facebook and standing around in front of trains eating organic quinoa. The 2nd eldest spent a lot of time in Palestine and Israel, and wants to help people work together after she finishes her masters.

    It's amazing what you can do with a positive viewpoint and a can-do attitude. Even in Australia.

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    A positive attitude doesn't protect you much against racism. And there's a lot in Australia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by monomono
    A positive attitude doesn't protect you much against racism. And there's a lot in Australia.
    There is a lot of racism in most countries, not least Hong Kong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiaque
    How is the US cheaper? I think fresh groceries are more expensive there. European products also expensive. Then you have to add on tax. Eating out is also something I do more there, and that is also quite expensive. The US is also a car-dependent country, and that adds up very quickly (inspection, insurance, cost of a reliable car, occasional traffic tickets that costs hundreds). I think Americans have made themselves victims to consumerism and it's a losing game. Bigger houses, need to full with more and more stuff. Healthcare. And the quality they get for everything is crap. One of the worst hotels I ever stayed at was the only not-too-dodgy looking one in my hometown -- it cost over $100/night, "breakfast" was some things thrown out in plastic with disposable cutlery, the bed stank, bathroom basic.
    You are confusing your own personal experiences and biases of the U.S. with facts. What you *think* is inconsequential. I'll offer you data
    The remaining four countries are spread across the globe. The US spends the least at 6.4%, Singapore spends the second lowest amount at 6.7%. Canada spends 9.1% on food, while Australia spends 9.8%.
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/...pends-on-food/

    Here's my shopping list from yesterday:
    Two bunches of coriander
    Two beef shanks (about 3 lbs)
    Two bunches of scallions
    Three bunches of red radishes
    Two bunches of Swiss chard
    One bunch of Bok Choy
    One lemon
    1.5 lbs of carrots
    1.5 lbs of brown onions
    2 jalapeno chili peppers
    4 inch piece of stem ginger
    2lbs bag of brown rice
    Two cans of organic cannellini beans
    . . . and possibly an item or two I've forgotten. Total cost < $22 U.S. (tax included)

    Cars and gas are cheap compared to other developed countries. At about $ .50/mile (approx IRS standard mileage rate) the journey cost me $3.

    https://www.autoblog.com/2013/05/29/...und-the-world/

    I also have a kitchen larger than a bread box where I can actually cook the food I purchased.

    There are plenty of legit reasons to criticize the U.S. No reason to make up shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huja
    You are confusing your own personal experiences and biases of the U.S. with facts. What you *think* is inconsequential. I'll offer you data


    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/...pends-on-food/

    Here's my shopping list from yesterday:
    Two bunches of coriander
    Two beef shanks (about 3 lbs)
    Two bunches of scallions
    Three bunches of red radishes
    Two bunches of Swiss chard
    One bunch of Bok Choy
    One lemon
    1.5 lbs of carrots
    1.5 lbs of brown onions
    2 jalapeno chili peppers
    4 inch piece of stem ginger
    2lbs bag of brown rice
    Two cans of organic cannellini beans
    . . . and possibly an item or two I've forgotten. Total cost < $22 U.S. (tax included)

    Cars and gas are cheap compared to other developed countries. At about $ .50/mile (approx IRS standard mileage rate) the journey cost me $3.

    https://www.autoblog.com/2013/05/29/...und-the-world/

    I also have a kitchen larger than a bread box where I can actually cook the food I purchased.

    There are plenty of legit reasons to criticize the U.S. No reason to make up shit.

    It's quite interesting reading this thread and some of the comments which I am sorry to say, just arent my experience out in the the reality of daily life, here... Also it has me baffled as to what the hell people spend their money on to have such (in my opinion ) such exorbitantly high expenses, if they think Australia is expensive, unless they are buying stuff smack bang in the centre of ( any) city and in a tourist trap area, or they exclusively eat mostly take away food, Uber eats, eat in cafe's/resto's/hotel buffets, drink outside and possibly smoke ?

    yes, if you are a seasoned ( heavyish) drinker, going out drinking rounds of beer, is not something you can do on a daily basis, unless you like pissing wads of cash away. Those things don't interest me, as my family ( inc the kids ) like to cook together, usually eating our meals on our large timber decked rear terrace, enjoying the tree lined canopy that surrounds our property, hearing/seeing various birdlife, water dragon lizards, the odd snake lol as we get carpet snakes and eastern brown's ( had one last week which I moved along away from our house ) and we have a family of 4 kangaroos that hangout in the bushland next door, sometimes they can be seen out front of our property under the shade of two ( huge ) 75 year old leopard trees that we have on each end of our property's frontage. Nup I LOVE where we live.

    Below are some examples of what we are paying for food, regular everyday stuff, to give those that 'still' think Australia is expensive, an idea of just how wrong their perspective is, unless they choose to live in tourist trappy area's, or just too lazy to get off their bum and cook for their family. Don't get me wrong, it takes well organised work, but I have the time to spend on this, as a family that cooks and does chores together, saves money and stays together ;-).



    https://www.meatcity.com.au/specials/

    https://www.aldi.com.au/en/groceries/super-savers/

    https://shop.coles.com.au/a/national...s?pageNumber=1

    https://www.coles.com.au/catalogues-...Name=c-qld-met


    I filled up our cars yesterday @ $1.38aud ( $7.00HKD) per litre for premium unleaded petrol, which is cheaper than the EU ( France, Italy and Holland) where I'm familiar with prices and a LOT cheaper than HKG and SG !

    Yes, if one wants to nit pick, our water bill is about $340aud per yearly quarter which is less than most households here, as we use water wisely, plus I have a 10,000 gallon rain water tank with Onga pump, that waters our property's garden and we use to wash our cars with etc. But, our electricity bill is very reasonable as we have solar with a feed in tariff, so no issues there, I think our biggest bill was $390aud over the whole summer and that was while running whole home A/C for most of the time, usually our power bill is $150aud - $250aud per yearly quarter for the rest of the year, as winter is very mild.

    approx 10 minutes from our property below.




    So, in my experience here in the Sunshine Coast ( QLD), Europe ( France, Italy and Holland) and the expensive parts of Asia ( HKG,SG and Japan) I feel for us, our living costs have lowered. I still get a buzz going to the supermarket, seeing how cheap things are compared to what we used to pay through the arse for in HKG. Fresh milk, cheese and deli stuff is soooo cheap here !


    Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman own a 3.2 hectare acre property not far from us which they paid $1.3 million aud ( the price of a tiny hkg flat that would fit inside their garage ) with inground swimming pool and tennis courts large machinery shed etc. Still think HKG is cheaper ?
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...LD-estate.html Haha I like the way they say lavish, considering it cost a fraction of what a decently renovated town house in, Kensington, London would cost..

    In closing my long winded post....

    I wont even entertain the Australia is racist discussion either, because majority of people arent and from what I have seen, if one is being an asshole, folks will take you task over that. Don't t confuse it with having anything to do with your race, because honestly, nobody cares where your family is, or isn't from. Most people just assume if you are present in the conversation, that you ARE Australian. Dig ?
    Last edited by Skyhook; 01-03-2020 at 09:31 AM.
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    The difficulty with answering the question is that I think your spending patterns change depending on where you live. So in HK food shopping was a mixture of PnS plus wet markets. In the UK it was the big supermarket shop plus Chinese, Indian shops (to buy Filipino stuff mostly).

    In the Philippines it is largely from the massive fresh market that is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, topped up with a small shop at the hypermarket.

    In HK we never had a car, in the UK and in Philippines we did/do. So it is hard to compare.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natfixit
    Now since we moved to Sweden, our expenses have gone up significantly. We live semi rural, and while the small town near by where we live had supermarkets, doctor, dentist etc...for specialist shopping, one needs to drive 45 mins or so to get to a larger shopping mall. Food is ridiculously expensive and there is not much variety.
    I was a bit baffled by this comment. I guess you have a very different diet than I do..

    I feel things are so so cheap in Swedish supermarkets compared to HK and even Singapore. 1 liter of fresh milk is 6-7 hkd. 0.5kg good quality cheese is 50 hkd, good quality eggs (which in HK would be 60 HKD for a pack of 6) cost maybe 10 hkd. Cucumber basically for free, potatoes the same you can buy 2kg of potatoes for 20 hkd.

    If I do a big shopping round in a supermarket in Sweden, I usally leave there buying my groceries for less than half compared to Hong Kong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobRoy
    I was a bit baffled by this comment. I guess you have a very different diet than I do..

    I feel things are so so cheap in Swedish supermarkets compared to HK and even Singapore. 1 liter of fresh milk is 6-7 hkd. 0.5kg good quality cheese is 50 hkd, good quality eggs (which in HK would be 60 HKD for a pack of 6) cost maybe 10 hkd. Cucumber basically for free, potatoes the same you can buy 2kg of potatoes for 20 hkd.

    If I do a big shopping round in a supermarket in Sweden, I usally leave there buying my groceries for less than half compared to Hong Kong.
    Yes, some things such as dairy and cheese is cheaper in Sweden than in HK. That saying, I just came back from Germany and stocked up on food which was half the cost of what it is in Sweden. My husband and I eat simply..I am a strict vegetarian, while he is a carnivore. Meat is expensive here and fruit. Also most vegetables are imported, hence freight costs, and import tax. I prefer to shop at the farmers markets rather than at Willys or ICA etc...wine and spirits - we don't drink much spirits, but beer and wine, we just stocked up on the lot over the past week for again, half the price it is here in Sweden. We tend not to eat eggs. My husband might one or twice, but re dairy consumption, we only eat some cheese, and my husband drinks milk, I eat small amounts of yogurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiaque
    I want to say something ...

    I have never been to Australia. I don't know much about it. But I have had friends in Hong Kong move there and talk as if the grass will be greener there (and I don't doubt it probably is).

    But isn't Australia kind of shit? Messed up, shady politicians, bush fires, unstable environment generally, rampant racism, bullying, oppression of an ethnic minority, some violence, trashy drunk people, Gina Rinehart, crocodiles.

    Sure you get this elsewhere, but just what I vaguely pick up from reading the news it doesn't sound very good...

    What am I missing? How do you put that in perspective?
    If one could earn their HK/HKD income but live in Australia that would be ideal and the cost of living would indeed be reasonable - but once you're on an Aussie income (which in most cases will be lower than what one earns in HK) and subject to Aussie tax it suddenly becomes an expensive country because your disposable income is so much lower.

    Governance is certainly a joke in Australia, cultural standards are low and there are big problems with violent crime especially in Sydney and Melbourne and general alcoholic yobbo behaviour. The biggest problem is tall poppy syndrome - the reflexive jealousy and hatred directed towards successful people who aren't athletes or pop stars.

    Don't know what Gina Rhinehart has to do with it though - she's a great role model for women in business and has played an extraordinary role in opening Western Australia up to development.

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