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    MTR passenger wrongfully accused passenger

    hi-tech MTR has staff taking trying to take photos of passengers when the concessionary fare indictor on the barrier is lit

    but they (wrongly) thought someone was using concessionary fare card, and acting more like military police, they detained her, and isolated her in room, threatening to charge her higher $5000 fine if she didn't accept and pay HK$ 1000 fine immediately, she conceded and paid 1000.

    although MTR got it wrong. It seems the MTR now have the powers as judge, jury, and executioner: I didn't know MTR had gained the police powers. Of course nobody at MTR was arrested


    Chinese news:
    https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C...BD%B0%E6%AC%BE


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    In Germany (and maybe other countries?) there is a similar shady practice I don't like in which you have to pay up immediately for a fine or pay extra later "for Admin", so they twist your arm to just suddenly pay a fine they claim you owe. When you're caught off guard because you didn't know (or weren't) breaking a rule or law, it's very upsetting, and some officers don't treat you well either.

    But as far as I know, in the US, if an officer cites you, you get the charge or ticket later in the mail. At least that way you have time to walk away from the situation and calm down (if you're white...) before processing what happened.

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    which Germany you refer to ?

    The current one has the following regulations

    https://www.schlichtungsstelle-nahve...eworden%20sind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrison:
    which Germany you refer to ?

    The current one has the following regulations

    https://www.schlichtungsstelle-nahve...eworden%20sind.
    If you're sending me this link with a very long text in German to prove that there is a fair and transparent system for giving fines then my point is made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiaque:
    If you're sending me this link with a very long text in German to prove that there is a fair and transparent system for giving fines then my point is made.
    Because there is no such thing as you described in Germany. It's EUR 60 for fare evasion if you pay on the spot or later. Repeat offences might be a criminal offence and face jail terms under special circumstances (e.g criminal history) but is rarely enforced.

    Did you mean Victoria by any chance?
    In Victoria, passengers intercepted by authorised officers without a valid ticket are given the option of having their name and address taken and having the circumstances of their offence documented which may result in a $217 fine being mailed to their address. Passengers also have the option of purchasing a $75 on-the-spot penalty fare with their credit card or debit card, which cannot be appealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiaque:
    In Germany (and maybe other countries?) there is a similar shady practice I don't like in which you have to pay up immediately for a fine or pay extra later "for Admin", so they twist your arm to just suddenly pay a fine they claim you owe.
    It's €25 for admin + €3.50 for postage. In some cases (so called "warning fines") you can avoid that by paying on the spot. Makes sense, since the government saves having someone issue and mail you a letter. You can't pay on the spot for actual fines.

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    I didn't read the article but won't your octopus card show how much you paid?

    edit: I should probably read the article LOL


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    She failed to tap her card successfully, then the person behind her proceeded to tap a concession card, which opened the gate for her and she went through. So technically she didn't pay for her ride which is what they charged her with.

    They only investigated her because the person behind was using a concession card, which triggers an alarm. She was unable to show any proof of having tapped her card.

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    I think machine failed once when I took AirPort Express from HK side, talked to the attendant , she muttered something, and that was it.
    The gate barriers there look very old and loose.
    Probably a free ride either way, still had Octopus loaded with subsidy money


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    No, I am perfectly clear, I've had to pay like this, but I'm not referring to public transport fines.

    With the Hong Kong barriers, I think this has happened to us all. People are too rushed.


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