buses are one of the main reasons why there is such a huge traffic jam during rush hour, for eg eastern highway going towards wan chai, their is one bus stop opposite the great eagle centre, that bus stop all bus no. line up to let off passengers so u get quite a big line off buses waiting and that back log blocks up 1 out of 2 lanes so the jam can go back as far as north point.
Its just bad planning and lack of roads, hopefully with the new road being made it will be better.
I have to agree with wtbhotia and Boris. Buses during peak hour, create pretty bad bottlenecks on some sections of road in HK. Luckily out here in the NT, the roads are a lot better organised, so it rarely bothers me.
As you get off the Western harbour tunnel toward Wanchai, is definitely one of the worst bus bottle necks/jams, it really crawls along there, no matter what vehicle you are in. Buses totally surround you around that section.
It takes me 30 minutes to drive 35km distance from the Gold Coast until the exit of the cross harbour tunnel, then another 30 minutes just to get from there, to Lockhart road Causeway Bay, which is less than 5km distance! 10,000 heavy diesel buses will do that, occupying such a tiny HK road network, which is very concentrated on the North / Central side of HK island.
Last edited by Skyhook; 05-07-2009 at 03:11 PM.
buses represent around 3% (~6000 franchised buses) of the registered vehicles in HK while cars make up around 70% (~407,000). During peak hours they carry on average around 40 passengers while cars carry around 1.2 passengers. although buses may be in your way, you are in the way of 40 people on a bus - who should get the priority?
The probable reason for the worsening congestion is not buses as the number of registered buses has only increased by 800 or so in the last 10 years yet there are nearly 50,000 more cars on the road in the same period.
Section 3 Registration and Licensing of Vehicles and Drivers
Plus most people that own & drive private cars in HK can't drive for sh1t.
On those stats I take back what I said. HOWEVER - stand by the side of the road and count. The more vehicles are Public transport ( inc taxis which have to be 5- 1 against buses ) of some kind and more like 5% private cars.
I expect most of the figures relate to cars that are in NT and just go out for shopping and the school run.
Hang on a minute Boris, EastCoast is saying that there are now 407,000 cars registered in HK, which considering HK's population is a tiny quantity of cars.
Can East Coast provide solid data of how many of the 407,000 privately registered cars, are driving in the city during peak times ? We all know that Uncle Tongs Ferrari 360 Modena only gets driven on sunny Sundays, and Phil Wong only drives his Lotus Elise on the weekends, a lot of these private cars are purely recreational.
Whether an extra tax on entry into HK Island is going to make any difference to the wealthy income earners, who choose to drive a car, like on call doctors for example.
Unlike back home, there is a distinct lack of crapper cars on the roads here, driven by the less fortunate of the car driving world, I have not seen one Smoky oil burning Datsun 120Y with a dolphin sticker on the bumper bar, the whole time we have lived here. You do back home in the west, but you don't see that here. The age of cars on the road in Hk are considerably younger, and by default, they pollute less.
At the end of the day, if you increase a CEO's or middle managements company car costs, he will ask for more money from to cover the higher costs, his company, will in turn add that extra cost to your goods and services costs, like maybe charging you for your eco friendly Welcome supermarket delivery, instead of making it free for purchases of $500 or more.
Its the HK way, and to be honest, 400,000 privately owned cars, within a population of 7 million, is nothing to be embarrassed, or ashamed about about.
Whats the car ownership break down back in your home city East coast ? Does less than 10% of the population of your home city, own a car ?
Last edited by Skyhook; 05-07-2009 at 10:51 PM.
There are a few roads where buses seem to be in the majority but these are just the places people get dropped off to go to work etc.
It must also be noted that
-franchised buses are limited to operating only on a proportion of roads -the MTR only reaches 60% of the population.
-Taxis are private hire vehicles so in effect a they are similar to private cars but the number of registered taxis is fixed.
-HK only has 2000Km of road (which is probably considerably less than most cities of 7m people)
HKGov does not seem to publish data on general roads but if you look at the CHT
Transport Department - More statistics are available in the Monthly Traffic and Transport Digest
the following is a breakdown of the ratio of vehicles for month usage.
Private Cars 1,303,914 46%
Taxis 999,685 35%
Double Deck 176,113 6%
Motor Cycles 156,349 5%
Single Deck 125,672 4%
Private/Public Light Buses 92,127 3%
The question is not about the level of car ownership which is very low by international standards but about poor provision of bus lanes. Many European cities are small and have narrow roads but that has not still stop growth in the number of bus lanes introduced. The last new bus lanes HK were in the mid 90's.
Last edited by East_coast; 05-07-2009 at 10:55 PM.