View Poll Results: Should the CHT toll be increased

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  • Yes - It is too cheap

    16 24.24%
  • Yes but only during times of congestion

    15 22.73%
  • Yes and also the Lion Rock tunnel

    3 4.55%
  • No - WHT tunnel should lower its prices

    36 54.55%
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  1. #11

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    Have you ever used the WHT? It's practically EMPTY all day, even in peak hours .... so you don't need to encourage more people to cross, you just need to MOVE them from the CHT to the WHT and both will be improved. That's the sensible thing to do. I don't think there are many CARS going through - when I come thru in my bus, it's mainly buses and taxis at peak hours. Not that many cars. I agree with your point re goods vehicles though - they really should be incentivised to travel only in offpeak hours and time based pricing is good for that, although likely to result in traffic jams/arguments for about 10 mins either side of the slots!


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    IF am on the West side of the island and it is at peak period then may use WHT, otherwise CHT is much better located.

    Should
    CHT toll rise to reduce demand
    or
    WHT be subsidised further to increase demand
    (i.e. non-car owning majority subsidise car owning minority)

    Sounding like a woolly liberal but the former will result in less pollution and more tax while latter will just result in more cars hitting Central / Admiralty at rush hour and make sure the road-side pollution stays high.


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    some of you seem pretty knowledgeable in this topic. Any transportation engineers/planners in the house?


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    Quote Originally Posted by breakfastcrew:
    Any transportation engineers/planners in the house?
    No - which is probably why we are knowledgeable! My experience of transport engineers is that they love infrastructure alot more than people .. which is a hell of a flaw!

    Actually, I tell a lie - my father-in-law was a transport engineer and he was quite sensible, but it was the exception rather than the rule!

    I'm an economic consultant - but specialising in energy - but this is (as EastWest points out) primarily an economic problem not an engineering problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Should
    CHT toll rise to reduce demand
    or
    WHT be subsidised further to increase demand
    (i.e. non-car owning majority subsidise car owning minority)
    My 2 cents:

    Raise the CHT for cars (to 40, at least, to strongly disincentivise cars using it)
    Raise the CHT for buses by about 20% (ie not a strong disincentive but a revenue raising tool)
    Lower WHT for buses by using the money from the 20% bus levy above (abit)
    Unclear on good vehicles, but probably raise it abit on the CHT and nothing on WHT.

    I think the car-owning minority should be subsidising the bus-travelling majority .... just think how long a queue of cars that had the same number of people as a full double-decker bus would be ....

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    I catch a bus through WHT every night usually around 7pm - 9pm. It is always empty and never once any traffic jams.


  7. #17

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    Central Harbour Tunnel $45 at peak times

    The WHT is not the issue, its tolls are set to maximise revenue and it already has a large subsidy from the public purse.

    With an additional 5000 new cars on the road every year something needs to be done to manage congestion at other parts of the road network with the CHT being one of the biggest issues.

    Last edited by East_coast; 18-03-2010 at 08:42 PM.

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    i have now been driving in hk for almost 3 years. i have used CHT once in all of that time. for me, the time wasted sitting in the traffic costs more than paying an extra $25 for the tunnel.

    might seem strange but from my house, when i go to central, i go through ma on shan, sha tin, eagle nest tunnel and WHT... i can make it door-to-door in 45 minutes.

    going through sai kung town, EHT takes me anywhere from 1.25-1.5 hours (sometimes more, depending on traffic/time of day).


  9. #19

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    Why not just build another tunnel


  10. #20

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    who needs the stinking harbour (Heung Kong), reclaim it all and get extra land and no need for tunnels. Haahaa

    p.s. i m just kidding just incase people dont get it.


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