Difference in HK perm ID card and HKSAR passport

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    Quote Originally Posted by discobay:
    1_quick_v6 the permanent hkid allows you to travel into and out of HK without showing your passport. Travel to China and other places require a passport. Travelling from HK to China can be made easier (and cheaper) by applying for a "wui heung tsing" (return home visa) with or without a HKSAR passport.

    Several years ago, permanent ID card holders could also apply for a wui heung jing, but this has been changed.

    I've spoken to immigration, and a wui heung tshing will only be granted for a holder of a HKSAR passport, not to people who only hold a permanent ID card.

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    On the other hand, permanent ID card holders can apply for a 3 year multiple entry China visa for HKD1000. This does save a fair bit of hassle for Chinese travel.


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    PR vs Chinese Citizen

    Permanent Residency status is acquired regardless of citizenship. Anyone who is both a PR and a Chinese citizen will have 3 stars on their HK ID card. This means that they can apply for HKSAR passport and Home Return Permit regardless of any foreign citizenship they may hold. HK regards such people as HK Chinese citizens unless they make a formal declaration to the Immigration Dept that they have obtained a foreign citizenship, in which case their PR status is maintained, but as foreign, rather than Chinese citizens. That means our Canadian and British friends are entitled to apply for HKSAR passports without prejudice to their other citizenships.


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    PR is indeed independent of citizenship.

    A HKSAR passport is dependent on Chinese citizenship.

    Here is the catch: Chinese citizenship cannot be obtained by a PR holder if either of their parents held an visa to emigrate to another country when the PR holder was born. It is this last clause that will trip up a lot of overseas born Chinese people who hold PR (I fall into this category and spent several months arguing about it with Immigration last year... unfortunately their conditions are quite clearly written out).


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    The difference between the two things:

    For a HK Perm. Identity card=Right of Abode
    One has to be in one of these categories: (A)-(F) http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/faq_roaihksar.htm
    Cat. A, B and C are for Chinese nationals, Cat D, E and F are for foreign nationals.

    'RTL' status are for foreign nationals who have lost their Permanent Residency status.


    For a Hong Kong SAR Passport(=Chinese Nationality):
    One has to be HK permanent resident AND Chinese National, thus fullfill the criteria laid down in the chinese nationality law(in other words: be a Chinese citizen):

    http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/chnnationality_1.htm
    hope this makes something clear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jgl:
    Several years ago, permanent ID card holders could also apply for a wui heung jing, but this has been changed.

    I've spoken to immigration, and a wui heung tshing will only be granted for a holder of a HKSAR passport, not to people who only hold a permanent ID card.
    A 'Wui Heung Jing' (entry permit for mainland China) is solely for use by Chinese Nationals returning to China. Control of the Chinese Nationality status of HK residents is done by the Immigration Department. This 'Wu Heung Jing' is in fact, proof of Chinese Nationality.
    It is not about changing rules for a chinese permit, but the means of control have 'improved'.

    When applying for a Wui Heung Jing, the China Travel Service (CTS) will ask you for proof of your Chinese Nationality status. This can be provided by virtue of a HKSAR passport. The Immigration Deparment also issues other documents which can proof your chinese nationality, like 'certificate of naturalization' if you have become chinese national.

    HK identity cards, in no ways proof of nationality. It can only give a rough indication.
    Last edited by Pirveebilbao; 07-04-2007 at 09:00 PM.

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    About the issue of Huixiangzheng / Wui Heung Jing,
    (entry permit for HK/Macao residents to mainland China)--

    This is issued ONLY to residents in HK/Macao who are Chinese citizens. It does not matter whether they are permanent residents or not, but
    * they must be RESIDENT in HK (or settled in HK as a resident- holding a HK Identity Card)
    * and they must be CHINESE CITIZENS

    There has NOT been any change in rules governing the issuance of Wui Heung Jing. There has only been a change in how Chinese nationality is to be proved.

    According to Chinese Nationality Law (and interpretation of the the Chinese Legislature), the Chinese nationaity of HK residents is to be determined by the HK Immigration Dept in accordance with Chinese Nationality laws.
    Thus- China Travel Service (CTS) will ask you for proof of your Chinese nationality WITH DOCUMENTS ISSUED BY THE HK IMMIGRATION DEPT.
    For permanent residents- this includes the HKSAR passport/certificate of naturalisation

    HK ID card- may be indicative of Chinese nationality, but should not be treated as being accurate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lybenben:
    This is issued ONLY to residents in HK/Macao who are Chinese citizens. It does not matter whether they are permanent residents or not, but
    * they must be RESIDENT in HK (or settled in HK as a resident- holding a HK Identity Card)
    * and they must be CHINESE CITIZENS
    Not strictly true. My friend's dad is Chinese, has a permanent HKID and has a Wui Heung Jing but lives in France.

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    If you hold a HKSAR passport you are a Chinese Citizen though...aren't you? I don't have one on me right now, but I am pretty sure under Citizenship it will read Chinese.


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    Stick back to the topic of this thread, obviously there're lots of differences between HK perm ID and HKSAR passport. Simply saying, you can use the passport to travel around except China, but am sure that you can use it to aboard Macau though. And HKID, it's just a card to show that you are a HK citizen, and can only use it to travel to Macau.

    Last edited by jenjenflower; 14-04-2007 at 06:59 PM.

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