HRP needs HKSAR Passport needs naturalized Chinese national needs renounce S'pore citizenship?

[b0nj0vi]

OK, so here's my story. I have been in HK for 12 years and have HK perm ID and right of abode. I want to apply for HRP for easier immigration to mainland for work. From what i've learnt, HRP needs HKSAR passport, which in turn needs to be Chinese national. I was born in Singapore, not in HK or China, so that rules me out. Both my parents are born in S'pore too so that rules out that possibility of association too. So now i'm left with one option and that is to apply for naturalization as Chinese national. Now comes the problem, China doesnt recognize dual citizenship so requires that i give up my Singapore citizenship. I will not give up my Singapore citizenship, period. So, is this a dead end road for me? Thanx for any advice.

[flameproof]

Luxury complaint.... With SG passport you don't need a China visa anyway. OK, you safe 2 Minutes at the border.....

[Morrison]

end of story for you.

Only if you are a HK Chinese national by birth you are "allowed" to hold another citizenship, that is big China ignores your foreign passport and treats you as its national, in good and in bad times.
That also means no foreign consular protection within its territory.

[kma88]

Both China and Singapore do not allow dual citizenship. So even if you were both Chinese and Singaporean national at birth theoretically you need to renounce Chinese nationality in order to retain the SG citizenship.

Also note that unlike Chinese nationality law, SG nationality law has no provision for the reinstatement of the nationality after it had been renounced. So it's best for you to just stick to your SG citizenship. If you are well qualified may be you can apply for the China green card. Also you can wait, may be in the future Chinese immigration laws will be relaxed.

[Morrison]

Also, as a HRT permit holder, life is not that much easier in big China.

You still need a permission to settle and a work permit.
Perhaps you can skip the hiv test, so if that's your concern.....

[twelve98]

Also, as a HRT permit holder, life is not that much easier in big China.

You still need a permission to settle and a work permit.
Perhaps you can skip the hiv test, so if that's your concern.....

what u mentioned is true but it's still actually ALOT easier... apart from the obvious of crossing the border, many things are alot easier with a chinese ID. Going to hotels, bank accounts, even buying train tickets. basically everything you need an ID for is a bigger hassle with a passport...

[Morrison]

what u mentioned is true but it's still actually ALOT easier... apart from the obvious of crossing the border, many things are alot easier with a chinese ID. Going to hotels, bank accounts, even buying train tickets. basically everything you need an ID for is a bigger hassle with a passport...

Well, we seem to live in a different China then....

Ever tried to buy a train ticket at one of the vending machines ? You can't....
Only good for PRC ID card holders.
It means queuing up or buying it trough your friends phone, who then has all your data, which you are not allowed to erase for 6 months, and so on and so forth.

Oh, yeah, the hotel thing.....
During the umbrella times they would not let me stay at a middle class hotel in Tianjin when I produced my permit, suddenly they did not have the licence to accommodate foreigners, and that includes HKers
Another hotel had never seen the latest permit version and said they can not accept it
Hahahaha

[IceEagle]

what u mentioned is true but it's still actually ALOT easier... apart from the obvious of crossing the border, many things are alot easier with a chinese ID. Going to hotels, bank accounts, even buying train tickets. basically everything you need an ID for is a bigger hassle with a passport...

It wasn't that long ago (circa 2008) that the serial number of a taibaozheng would change when it was re-issued (e.g. the old one expired and one applied for a renewal). Apparently this caused a bit of hassle for the holder (e.g. when trying to access a PRC bank account), since in 2008 this was changed so every taibaozheng would keep the same serial number which would become the holder's de-facto id number on the mainland.

So, a few things might be easier in some respects, but I agree with Morrison - neither group has it as easy as a mainlander with a national PRC ID card and hukou.

Only if you are a HK Chinese national by birth you are "allowed" to hold another citizenship, that is big China ignores your foreign passport and treats you as its national, in good and in bad times.

I think it'd be more accurate to say that this is simply untested. (Probably for good reason - it's hard to think of someone who'd want to go through the time and expense of naturalising only to risk losing it all later down the line...)

[kma88]

Only if you are a HK Chinese national by birth you are "allowed" to hold another citizenship, that is big China ignores your foreign passport and treats you as its national, in good and in bad times.
That also means no foreign consular protection within its territory.

Actually this applies to mainland Chinese as well. Say a person born in mainland to Chinese and British parents, and acquires both nationalities at birth. According to the Chinese Nationality Law, China would not recognise the foreign nationality, but the law does not stipulate that the dual national will lose the Chinese nationality if the foreign nationality is not renounced. This is unlike Singapore and Japan where dual nationals have to renounce the foreign nationality by a certain age or else will lose the nationality. So theoretically this Chinese person can keep his dual nationality. It's just that in this case China would not issue a normal PRC passport to him. This also applies to a person born in say the US to mainland Chinese parents who are not "settled abroad".

[twelve98]

Well, we seem to live in a different China then....

Ever tried to buy a train ticket at one of the vending machines ? You can't....
Only good for PRC ID card holders.
It means queuing up or buying it trough your friends phone, who then has all your data, which you are not allowed to erase for 6 months, and so on and so forth.

Think you're citing isolated incidents. For the most part it's more convenient.

FYI In Guangdong most place you can use your HRP to collect train tickets now (you still need to buy them online). They even have a machine at SZ North station where u can use a passport! It saves PLENTY of time as you can imagine. I've yet to see it at any other stations however

It wasn't that long ago (circa 2008) that the serial number of a taibaozheng would change when it was re-issued (e.g. the old one expired and one applied for a renewal). Apparently this caused a bit of hassle for the holder (e.g. when trying to access a PRC bank account), since in 2008 this was changed so every taibaozheng would keep the same serial number which would become the holder's de-facto id number on the mainland.

FYI this is true for mainlanders too. If they lose their ID card they get a new number and it causes a number of problems.