Larvotto - windows falling!

[Football16]

Recently received the following from a friend living at Larvotto in Aberdeen and thought the info may be relevant to others why may live there:

I don't know what the posts that might have questioned the validity of this were or if it was done respectfully but let's face reality.

While the OP might have been cut some slack as a long term poster the opening line of the thread brings back to some - memories of the false stories about local kidnapping that turned out to be wrong.

Different issue if the questioning is not done respectfully.

Also, just because it is in the newspaper doesn't mean it is true.

[bryant.english]

PDLM jumped the gun on this to be sure but, generally, I would support him on this issue. Too often people come onto these forums to rant about companies who are given no opportunity to defend themselves.

I would say this is an isolated case where the OP is correct. I hope this small error doesn't blind us to the dangers of unsubstantiated rants...

[HowardCoombs]

I would say this is an isolated case where the OP is correct. I hope this small error doesn't blind us to the dangers of unsubstantiated rants...

I had a lot of reservations about the rant being correct or not as there were many holes in it. With so many holes, is it any wonder ppl dont believe wolf stories?

Claim : 750 units have floor-ceiling windows.
Truth : its 715 units

Claim : the largest window (12 ft by 12 ft)
Truth : the ceiling height is not 12ft let alone the window

Claim : Would have killed me & my daughter had we arrived home from nursery 5 minutes later.
Truth : Unverifiable sensationalism.

Claim : We now hear that a further 5 windows have fallen out this yr.
Truth : SCMP says nothing about this and no one else has come forward. Is it truth or made up conspiracy story?

Claim : They have no plans to check other units.
Truth : How did the writer know this?

The story stunk originally and it still has big piles of sensationalist sounding soundbites. Not a good way to get one's message across.

[TheBrit]

You are talking rubbish too HC, and missing the wood for the trees.

How is the assertion a falling window from height would have killed someone "unverifiable sensationalism"? Are you trying to say nobody walks under the windows in Larvotto? Whether it is 5 seconds, 5 minutes or 5 hours doesn't change the point the windows are falling out.

They talked to the building management - that is how they knew there were no plans to check other windows. Who cares if there are 750 windows or 715, nor precisely how big they are? A 12x10 window will kill someone as surely as a 12x12.

The only thing that stinks is the usual peanut gallery of dumbdonkey, PDLM and others belittling someone with no proof whatsoever.

[bryant.english]

You are talking rubbish too HC, and missing the wood for the trees.

How is the assertion a falling window from height would have killed someone "unverifiable sensationalism"? Are you trying to say nobody walks under the windows in Larvotto? Whether it is 5 seconds, 5 minutes or 5 hours doesn't change the point the windows are falling out.

They talked to the building management - that is how they knew there were no plans to check other windows. Who cares if there are 750 windows or 715, nor precisely how big they are? A 12x10 window will kill someone as surely as a 12x12.

The only thing that stinks is the usual peanut gallery of dumbdonkey, PDLM and others belittling someone with no proof whatsoever.

Let's all just wait and see...

[HowardCoombs]

How is the assertion a falling window from height would have killed someone "unverifiable sensationalism"? Are you trying to say nobody walks under the windows in Larvotto? Whether it is 5 seconds, 5 minutes or 5 hours doesn't change the point the windows are falling out.

I'm trying to say adding sensationalistic what-if scenarios weakens the message.

They talked to the building management - that is how they knew there were no plans to check other windows. Who cares if there are 750 windows or 715, nor precisely how big they are? A 12x10 window will kill someone as surely as a 12x12.

When someone tells you a story and cant get the basic facts correct (facts that they should know because they live there), its perfectly natural to have doubts about the validity and accuracy of the story.

I will await more news about the 5 other incidents that supposedly happened earlier...

[TheBrit]

I wonder how many people would be able to accurately tell you their window pane sizes or the number of windows in their block. I know I can't - I would count the windows per floor and multiply by the number of floors for an approximation. Easy to get this wrong too due to the policy of skipping some floor numbers!

[elliee]

I had a lot of reservations about the rant being correct or not as there were many holes in it. With so many holes, is it any wonder ppl dont believe wolf stories?
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The story stunk originally and it still has big piles of sensationalist sounding soundbites. Not a good way to get one's message across.

Claim : 750 units have floor-ceiling windows. Truth : its 715 units

A minor inaccuracy and not relevant to the issue of windows falling out

Claim : the largest window (12 ft by 12 ft) Truth : the ceiling height is not 12ft let alone the window

The ceiling height in my friends unit is 3.5m which is roughly 12 ft and the window in question is floor to ceiling

Claim : Would have killed me & my daughter had we arrived home from nursery 5 minutes later. Truth : Unverifiable sensationalism.

Am pretty sure a large window falling from height onto you will result in serious injury or death

Claim : We now hear that a further 5 windows have fallen out this yr. Truth : SCMP says nothing about this and no one else has come forward. Is it truth or made up conspiracy story?

Management wouldn't verify - some of the units were unoccupied at the time so no tenants to verify, a number of people have pictures of them which have been provided to the officials investigationg.

Claim : They have no plans to check other units. Truth : How did the writer know this?

Management told them directly that they were not going to check the other windows unless asked by residents. Call the management and ask if you don't believe them.

Why are so many people trying to poke holes in a story that at its core is a serious safety issue for residents of a certain housing complex?! Even if only a small percentage of the total number of windows fail, the fact that more than one or two have fallen seems to indicate the presence of a risk, that while perhaps low, can cause very serious harm. Anyway, I'm done with this tread. If you live at Larvotto good luck dealing with the management and contractor. There is a group email list addressing the issue amongst residents and if you live there and would like to be included please send me a PM so that I can put you in touch with other residents concerned about this issue.

[HowardCoombs]

Why are so many people trying to poke holes in a story that at its core is a serious safety issue for residents of a certain housing complex?!

I cant speak for others but for me, the missive read and sounded very sensational. I kept my mouth shut as others were already echoing what was going thru my head.

I'm speaking now only to defend those skeptics and give them a bit of support; if they hadn't said anything I would have as it didn't sounds right.

The fast that skeptics were shown to be wrong does not take away from the fact that the story had holes in it which caused it to be not immediately believed.

No matter what the safety issue (kidnappers in Ocean park, mainlanders targeting kids etc), stories need to be scrutinized and verified.

[virago]

Thank god HC isn't an Investigator with the HK Crime Squad (well hope not) as any report by a resident would result in skepticism and no investigation.