Less than 300
More than 1600
Mostly I put this down to the local education system though, because our Mainland guys (all educated overseas) are fine, so it's nothing inherently to do with "chinese-ness". If I were running a shipping company it might be different.
If someone from China can speak English well & went abroad, they tend to be the mainland Chinese who goes abroad for 2 years to do their masters degree. In other words, they have to pay up around ~$800,000-$1,000,000HKD for their program and living expenses.
It also means they are the privileged class Mainlander who, from the day they were born, has all the resources necessary to get into the best school that has the best teachers with the best tutor and maximum exposure to what the world offers.
You can't actually compare that with a kid in Tuen Mun whose parents has a combined income of $25,000HKD / month or less. Even if the kid does get into a University, it's not the same. His starting point will be at age 18, and the privileged mainlander's starting point will be at age 0. Though the kid will have a pat in the back for a job well done to get to that point.
Mainlanders who goes abroad for education in the past decade are not in the same social class as the ones you find in shenzhen or even your typical locals here.
I don't find Mainlander speak English well back when I was a student - though it's sufficient that it's functional. In some class, the proportion of students were 75% mainlander to 25% the rest. So my sample size is sufficient for me to draw at least that conclusion. If they actually spoke well, and they weren't raised from abroad, then they're either simply just talented or even more privileged than the privileged.
Last edited by Creative83; 28-04-2013 at 03:35 PM.
My wife's niece (local HK) has repeatedly showed me her diplomas depicting her straight A's for English. At the same time she keeps making grammar and word choice mistakes any Brit/Yank/Aussie would feel ashamed off doing while being drunk.
On the other hand I have a friend (local HK) who spend several years in the UK studying. His English is superb.
They are both middle class and absolutely didn't had tutoring 24-7 since their birth.
I think openness to experience and the need to use a language make a big difference.
But if you're not a foreigner and haven't been hired in such a way, you wouldn't know exactly what i meant.
Have you ever heard the native Japanese speak English? They get 100% on their English oral tests, but you can't understand anything that comes out of their mouth. Yet, the teacher gave her 100% while the student proudly pad herself on the back - think of all the effort the student put in just to be encouraged to get it wrong. I witnessed that in a Kumon center in Japan. It's insane what goes on over there. You have these weird ass franchise centers where teachers doesn't have the ability to do what they're suppose to. So don't get mixed up between tutoring and quality tutoring. It's very different. Not to mention the ratio of teacher to student matters just as importantly. And you know who are the ones with Kumon type access? The low income families. Now if you will excuse me, I need to vomit on reality.
Last edited by Creative83; 29-04-2013 at 11:12 AM.
Came to put flat size but this is more interesting.
I believe that there are obviously excellent workers in HK but I'd imagine these people have had an international education (local or overseas). The local education stream is suited to much creativity so given a problem local people don't have the skills to solve it.
On the spoken English issue I agree that top marks are awarded to students who can't speak at a near native level but their grammar is much better than a native. It comes down to the priority.
At the end of it all you can't beat first hand experience in a native country.
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700sqft with a large terrace and a view of Min07s boat.
GEO Expat has quite a few rich members ... nice to see that.