I think it's also unfair and being judgemental to those people that do hire drivers for their own personal reasons. I've stated the reasons for mine, and on top of that, my wife does not drive or even have a driving license, and yes, she needs to go to work every day.
I certainly don't feel bad giving another person a job, one that they applied for and are happy to get, and if you want to look at the overall scheme of things, my driver gets paid probably ten times more than what he could earn back in his home country.
I'll end with that for not wanting to derail the thread, and it's fine if someone is against the idea of domestic helpers for whatever reason; however, I think it's unfair to judge or stereotype those who do employ helpers or drivers in particular.
IFC you stated in a previous post that if you have kids and two working parents than a driver is 'COMPLETELY' necessary. HK has possibly the best public transport in the world, and you already have a DH at hand to take the kids to school, so I have to disagree, the driver is not necessary. In my eyes having a private driver can only ever be a luxury. One that if I had the money to afford, I would spend elsewhere. I have no problem that you have a driver, but I don't agree it is necessary.
I also disagree that I am hypocritical. My problem with having a DH, aside from not wanting to share my home with an employee, is that I want my kids raised by myself, or their mother. Having a babysitter now and again is not the same thing as having a DH parent them.
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So whether or not YOU think it's necessary for us to have a driver is completely inconsequential. YOU are not raising our kids, YOU are not working to pay for our kids' welfare, and YOU are not paying for any of our expenses including our driver's salary. So I wonder why YOU think YOU have a say in what WE do, or why you think you even have the right to consider what any of OUR choices are "necessary" or not?
But you didn't just mention looking after children, you said you were also okay with helpers clean someone's apartment. Again, it's hypocritical to think it's okay for a helper do one job and not another.
And I'm not sure what you have against drivers as a profession. Does the bus you take not have a driver? The mini-bus? Do the cabs you ride drive themselves? I'm not sure how you're able to get away from employing drivers in one way or another if you take motorized public transportation. But to me, it's hypocritical to say it's okay to hire a driver to drive cab, or a bus, or a mini-bus, but not a private car.
Wow, looks like I'm going to be hypocritical whatever I say then if we are getting that abstract. How can you compare a cleaner a few hours per week to a DH working (more than) full time hours? I never said I have a moral objection to domestic help full stop did I?
Look to be honest I really don't care. I could go through what you've said and say point by point why I disagree but why bother anymore anymore. The quick and simplified version is, I think paying 14k for a driver is a luxury, and you say it is completely necessary when living in a complex such as Beverly Hills... so I don't agree. Case closed. You get on with your life (driver included), I'll get on with mine. and Good Night
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Sounds like you are pretty rich and don't think twice about these things so I guess I am wasting my time, but there is pleasure in doing things for yourself (like, raising your own children as noted by kryzlowski) or even doing your own washing, ironing and cleaning. I wonder about how folks cope when they get back to their home countries after an upbringing like this in HK - maids and drivers - how do they ever learn to do their own chores or organise their own lives!
And this does come from a little experience of a family friend whose 4 children were brought up in Africa with the same "expat luxuries" but who now lead very normal lives in the UK, they have all had problems adjusting (including one mental breakdown) so do think a little about these issues.
Sure, I don't lead your life, but I'm not exactly poor but still choose to do my own chores and take the bus. Keeping in contact with the real world has its benefits.