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Deciding betw HK & Shanghai - relocating w/ family, not under corporate package. Possible on a budget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gruntfuttock:
    Eh? I don't think there's any country in the world where foreigners can legally just roll up and move in without some sort of bureaucracy. HK's is a lot easier than many.
    Very true. But if HK were consistent with the international and free market ideals upon which it was built up, it would be even easier. Anyone could settle and open up shop. Like US up until 1900.

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    What is your ethnicity and that of your husband? To be blunt if you are gweilo then it's probably easier for you to at least start in HK given its colonial history and hence east west vibe, well to some degree assuming u hang out in central or wanchai. I see u folks starting out low on the totem pole as English teachers as u didn't state how u differentiate yourself from people sent here by their companies nor your skill set. I mean what's your edge in Asia? if you're Chinese descent and can speak one of the dialects fairly well and possess some differentiating skill and or experience I think you have more of a head start. I don't perceive people from the South as you are as being as I'm touch with different cultures versus say someone from NYC. That if true in your case could be another liability.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fraxbo:
    Very true. But if HK were consistent with the international and free market ideals upon which it was built up, it would be even easier. Anyone could settle and open up shop. Like US up until 1900.
    really? Did u read from different history books and have little interaction with people of color? Ask a black man if his ancestors just set up shop. Ask any person of Asian or Hispanic descent if they experienced no hardship. Your ignorance is f amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKNumberOne:
    really? Did u read from different history books and have little interaction with people of color? Ask a black man if his ancestors just set up shop. Ask any person of Asian or Hispanic descent if they experienced no hardship. Your ignorance is f amazing.
    No ignorance. Merely stating US policy at the time. There were no limits on immigration. There was racism and ethnocentrism. I don't deny that. And in certain locales there were different communities that were discriminated against disproportionately, even in law. That has nothing to do with the topic of immigration to HK and immigration in general to which I refer though. That is a pure policy matter, and one I feel is immorally imposed by state actors.

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    We all know actors have no morals. Please don't derail our lovely thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fraxbo:
    No ignorance. Merely stating US policy at the time. There were no limits on immigration. There was racism and ethnocentrism. I don't deny that. And in certain locales there were different communities that were discriminated against disproportionately, even in law. That has nothing to do with the topic of immigration to HK and immigration in general to which I refer though. That is a pure policy matter, and one I feel is immorally imposed by state actors.
    US: Chinese Exclusion Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    CANADA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Immigration_Act,_1923
    I checked your profile quickly and seems you are Cambodian(nothing wrong with that). My guess is you were given safe haven in the US andrealized the American dream and became a professor. But you have a flawed senseof US history as it pertains to Asian-Americans. Your Asian-American experiece started in the 1970's to 1980's is my guess and you took the "white" washed version hook line and sinker.

    My initial rebuttal to you was based on your comments about US immigration policy around the 1900s. The data above is fact based. Whats your basis for you statements?

    http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...eting-chinese/
    Last edited by HKNumberOne; 12-07-2012 at 10:41 PM.

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    15k to 16k HKD will get you something very small in Hong Kong. I am out in the New Territories, rent is north of $20k and official square feet are 1042 while the real number is 590 square feet (make that 600-700 sq ft to get the norm). My rooms are tiny, and my "maid quarter" is actually a store room in which you couldn't fit a bed (if you would you couldn't close the door).

    My recommendation: when you come visiting check out a few apartments in your budget range to see what you'd get and do a reality check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKNumberOne:
    US: Chinese Exclusion Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    CANADA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Immigration_Act,_1923
    I checked your profile quickly and seems you are Cambodian(nothing wrong with that). My guess is you were given safe haven in the US andrealized the American dream and became a professor. But you have a flawed senseof US history as it pertains to Asian-Americans. Your Asian-American experiece started in the 1970's to 1980's is my guess and you took the "white" washed version hook line and sinker.

    My initial rebuttal to you was based on your comments about US immigration policy around the 1900s. The data above is fact based. Whats your basis for you statements?
    I am not Cambodian. I teach at a school here that has a couple of Cambodian masters students. I am of German Jewish heritage. My family came over to NY during WWII on my Father's side and my mother herself immigrated to NY. I had not recalled this episode in US history. Lucky I don't teach that I suppose. So the immorality inUS immigration cy started earlier than I previously thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 100LL:
    15k to 16k HKD will get you something very small in Hong Kong. I am out in the New Territories, rent is north of $20k and official square feet are 1042 while the real number is 590 square feet (make that 600-700 sq ft to get the norm). My rooms are tiny, and my "maid quarter" is actually a store room in which you couldn't fit a bed (if you would you couldn't close the door).

    My recommendation: when you come visiting check out a few apartments in your budget range to see what you'd get and do a reality check.
    Wow, that is the smallest usage rate I have ever heard of! What estate is that?
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