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  1. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiaque
    I don't knowhow long ago that experience was for you, or whether there were online communities linking up families. The particular community I have in mind currently has countless playgroups, post natal Pilates, kindergartens etc. In fact, I'm left OUT because I don't have small kids. To have lunch with a friend, we have to plan around the dance class, playgroup, etc. Lots of cafés and a very welcoming attitude with open areas and playgrounds for people to meet up. (sounds idyllic except for sandflies). I think the OP should know you're not based in Hong Kong, whereas what I'm referring to is current information of a community I live in.
    You don't live on a remote island FFS. So, you're not a stay-at-home Mum, you don't live on a remote island, (and never have) you've never had children in Hong Kong and you lived on Hong Kong island in SYP before venturing out into the depths of the NT?

    Yet, you still seem happy to criticize my observation that living on a remote island accessible only by boat might leave the OP's wife more isolated than - for example - Pok Fu Lam - which fits all their requirements very nicely.

    Thanks for your contributions. I'll sure the OP will weigh them appropriately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imparanoic
    especially when you live in NT, going from fanling to yuen long on public transport with 2 kids age 5 and 7 isn't that great, but it's a big pain with a 1 year old and 3 year, takes around 55 mins plus up to 10 mins waiting at the bus stop and 3 mins at train station and walking distance, that's 1 hour 10 mins, then you have the elements as well, but within a car, it's only 15 minutes drive from fanling to yuen long, the kids don't get wet either at destination or origin if it's starts to rain heavily.
    Agree, I don't even live in NT but we have a car because with little kids it's just easier. Bought when the oldest was a year old and no regrets. You don't have to worry about if you can fold the pram, is it hot in the carrier while we wait at the bus stop, is it raining and can I carry an umbrella while holding a toddler's hand, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reset Fields
    That is a key piece of information ... I work in the tech industry ... I'll keep an eye out, thank you

    if you work in the tech industry, you should move in to a building with several offerings from multiple carriers (ie, PCCW, HKBN, HGC, i-cable)... from 100Mbps to 2Gbps.... Some have fiber to the home, some do not.... You need to do some due diligence on the potential buildings you have in mind.

    many old buildings or rural area do not have broadband internet access...

    Your best bet when you first arrive here is to rent a small place at Kennedy Town or HKU for a few months and see what it is like there. Do your due diligence within those few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrit
    You don't live on a remote island FFS. So, you're not a stay-at-home Mum, you don't live on a remote island, (and never have) you've never had children in Hong Kong and you lived on Hong Kong island in SYP before venturing out into the depths of the NT?

    Yet, you still seem happy to criticize my observation that living on a remote island accessible only by boat might leave the OP's wife more isolated than - for example - Pok Fu Lam - which fits all their requirements very nicely.

    Thanks for your contributions. I'll sure the OP will weigh them appropriately.
    I find it odd that you seem to go out of your way to discredit my attempt to share my knowledge, especially when you are making a good deal of assumptions. It's even more ironic considering you don't actually live here and are drawing conclusions based on past information.

    I still fully stand by my suggestion, and can only suspect you're wholly unfamiliar with some of the areas I have in mind.

    I'm happy to private message the OP with more details (as I don't want to publicly advertise specific places), including a long list of the available kindergartens, playgroups, sports centers, cafés etc where many families gather to create a very "normal" feeling community where people are not isolated in their anonymous shoeboxes yet have nature at their doorstep. .
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    Why are we even talking about living in remote parts of the New Territories or whatever as a possibility for someone who is incoming to HK with a newborn baby?

    You absolutely need a car to do this, otherwise your life becomes a misery of waiting for crowded and infrequent public buses. Doing this in the height of a humid summer with a stroller or (even harder) a baby carrier is absolutely miserable. Just writing this gives me flashbacks of trying to keep a baby cool outdoors during summer.

    Even with a car, social circles will be far harder to establish as people will need to drive all over the place to meet, and there are simply less people out there (which is what makes it attractive). In a big estate, you can literally just go down an elevator and walk to a playroom to talk to other parents or for the kid to find others to play with (this won't be relevant until the kids is closer to 2).

    Not having to own a car, imo, is one of the big draws of living in HK.

    I know people with kids out in the New Territories. It works for them, but they had all lived in HK for years prior, all started out in more convenient places and built up networks, figured out how the city works. And socialising became much more limited once they moved out. One mother who moved out to Saikung made an interesting observation- she found other stay at home mothers to hang out with, but mainly did so for the benefit of her child. The social pool was smaller there, and she missed being on HK Island where she could find people that she had more than simple parenthood in common with.

    From the sounds of it, the husband will be at work most of the week. The mother is going to be figuring out most of the incredibly confusing 'new baby' stuff and just 'popping out' in the car for a quick meet up will be a huge challenge- the baby will be feeding and falling asleep every couple hours, and the whole extended nursing/burping/changing routine is fairly exhausting. And if you're meeting other parents, they're subject to the same routines but possibly with different timings. Being trapped in the boonies without anyone to talk to most of the time sounds like a fast track to post natal depression.

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    @jgl those points are valid. I also wouldn't recommend that, and neither did I. (If you're referring to my post.)


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    Not sure if it was mentioned, but I would also throw Lohas Park and Tseung Kwan O into the mix. Many options for apartments which are family and dog friendly. Most of the complexes have facilities and there is a strong expat community there. Many grocery stores and cafes and it will be easy for the OP's wife to get around walking with the pram. Also you can get something around 1000sqf well within the budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiaque
    Regarding a car, as someone mentioned it, in my opinion some idyllic rural areas have been ruined by people jumping on the "I want all the convenience" bandwagon and getting cars, acting as if they should continue their privilege suburban lifestyle back home because they have kids. .
    Yeah, whoever would think about getting a car in the NT? Oh that's right.... someone precious did.

    https://geoexpat.com/forum/333/thread350579.html

    It's always nice to see non-parents preaching to parents about the best way to parent though, so do keep it up.

    Unlike what TheBrit said, these expat rural communities are full of parents, full time, with young kids and countless get togethers, playgroups, etc.
    Apart from the fact I didn't say that, well done. For your reference, this is the only thing I said before your cute little jibe.

    All the people suggesting outlying islands - did you miss this requirement?

    "- Wife will be at home with our baby when I'm at work (I'd like her to not feel isolated)."
    Maybe you conflate the New Territories with outlying islands, but I believe most normal people can distinguish between the two.

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    I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this already.

    the number of nurseries/kindergartens nearby and their "fees" for joining are important considerations..

    see this thread..

    https://geoexpat.com/forum/71/thread355443.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrit
    Yeah, whoever would think about getting a car in the NT? Oh that's right.... someone precious did.

    https://geoexpat.com/forum/333/thread350579.html

    It's always nice to see non-parents preaching to parents about the best way to parent though, so do keep it up.



    Apart from the fact I didn't say that, well done. For your reference, this is the only thing I said before your cute little jibe.



    Maybe you conflate the New Territories with outlying islands, but I believe most normal people can distinguish between the two.
    Some rural areas are isolated or isolating, some are not. I didn't use the term NT.

    You really are the bully of geoexpats...
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