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    Quote Originally Posted by Golem:
    The overall discourse is that HK students do remarkably well compared to the rest of the world in the IB program. That may be partly because the program is mostly offered in elitist schools as you like to call them but that shouldn't take away from their accomplishment and your little bitter snippet seemed out of place.
    Isn't the IB programme generally offered at elite schools. General schools run by governments almost always have to follow government curriculum.

    Focussing on a few top scores may make the headlines but the average scores of schools such as ESF that has limited selection (do you have money) is remarkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Isn't the IB programme generally offered at elite schools. General schools run by governments almost always have to follow government curriculum.

    Focussing on a few top scores may make the headlines but the average scores of schools such as ESF that has limited selection (do you have money) is remarkable.
    The Canadian public school system is offering the IB diploma.

    Some DSS schools in Hong Kong are also offering IB, such as the Lutheran Academy in Yuen Long. Sure they charge a fee, but it's hardly elitist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    The Canadian public school system is offering the IB diploma.

    Some DSS schools in Hong Kong are also offering IB, such as the Lutheran Academy in Yuen Long. Sure they charge a fee, but it's hardly elitist.
    We can do the math again if you want. If you believe IB is generally used average schools and not generally at elite schools or the elite stream for public schools I will let you again think that wrong is right - you are very good at it.

    Also I would suggest the DSS schools that offer IB in HK are extremely good and perhaps some of the best public schools in Asia and possibly the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Isn't the IB programme generally offered at elite schools. General schools run by governments almost always have to follow government curriculum.

    Focussing on a few top scores may make the headlines but the average scores of schools such as ESF that has limited selection (do you have money) is remarkable.
    As I pointed out earlier, the program is offered as an option in many North American Schools both private and public. That isn't yet common occurence in HK but it has nothing to do with the program itself. Anyone that wishes to offer it can as long as they have trained staff and meet criteria. There are now plenty of resources and training sessions offered locally which wasn't the case a decade ago. Both average scores and top scores in HK are well above world average. I'm not sure what you are trying to say about ESF schools but weaker students are steered towards doing BTEC courses which helps in maintaining good scores though parents still have final say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golem:
    As I pointed out earlier, the program is offered as an option in many North American Schools both private and public. That isn't yet common occurence in HK but it has nothing to do with the program itself. Anyone that wishes to offer it can as long as they have trained staff and meet criteria.
    The vast majority of students are still from fee paying or selective schools. Yes there are a growing number of IB places at public schools but these tend to be offered for the elite students.

    Quote Originally Posted by Golem:
    I'm not sure what you are trying to say about ESF schools but weaker students are steered towards doing BTEC courses which helps in maintaining good scores though parents still have final say.
    The vast majority of kids at ESF go straight through to IB diploma, some drop out, a few go to KGV BTEC and other joints courses such as SCAD. Unfortunately the academic value add measure used by the EB is not mandatory at international schools - it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    The vast majority of students are still from fee paying or selective schools. Yes there are a growing number of IB places at public schools but these tend to be offered for the elite students.
    I'm not sure what you mean by elite students or what point you are trying to make... It's somewhat misleading to say that only some have access since the full IB program starts in primary with PYP, then MYP and the last two years are the DP. Students are only streamed out for the last two years in DP if they are at risk of not completing it. The fact that it is currently offered mostly by higher end school has nothing to do with the IB program, these are school based decisions. The fact that it requires more resources and a lot of teacher training discourages many schools. As I pointed out, the program is offered as an option to anyone in many North American schools and students will sometimes be counseled against DP if it's felt that they won't succeed. That's mostly done for their own good to prevent failure and not to maintain some kind of elitist status.

    The EB has very little to do with the running of International Schools in HK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golem:
    I'm not sure what you mean by elite students or what point you are trying to make...
    You made the statement below

    Quote Originally Posted by Golem:
    The overall discourse is that HK students do remarkably well compared to the rest of the world in the IB program. That may be partly because the program is mostly offered in elitist schools
    I would argue the the distribution of students studying IB in Hong Kong is not that dissimilar to the rest of the world. Mainly at fee paying schools with a small number of high performing students also taking it in the public sector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    You made the statement below

    I would argue the the distribution of students studying IB in Hong Kong is not that dissimilar to the rest of the world. Mainly at fee paying schools with a small number of high performing students also taking it in the public sector.
    You can argue it but it's not the case in North America where more than 60% of IB students are located. Just like most optional programs, the students are generally not from a disadvantaged background but they are hardly the elite either. That's one of the reasons why HK students perform significantly better than average. In many countries, the fact that it's a fee paying school also doesn't mean that they are high performing students. The Middle East being a perfect example of that... In HK, there's the combination of good schools with a high performing academic culture with students from fairly privileged socioeconomic backgrounds. That is likely to produce better results than most schools worldwide..

    IB DP is a relatively demanding program that isn't for everyone while MYP and PYP are accessible to anyone. Unlike DP, there's no prescribed curriculum, no standardized exams and schools can deliver it pretty well any way they like as long as they adhere to the underlying principles and train their staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golem:
    You can argue it but it's not the case in North America where more than 60% of IB students are located. Just like most optional programs, the students are generally not from a disadvantaged background but they are hardly the elite either. That's one of the reasons why HK students perform significantly better than average. In many countries, the fact that it's a fee paying school also doesn't mean that they are high performing students. The Middle East being a perfect example of that... In HK, there's the combination of good schools with a high performing academic culture with students from fairly privileged socioeconomic backgrounds. That is likely to produce better results than most schools worldwide..

    IB DP is a relatively demanding program that isn't for everyone while MYP and PYP are accessible to anyone. Unlike DP, there's no prescribed curriculum, no standardized exams and schools can deliver it pretty well any way they like as long as they adhere to the underlying principles and train their staff.
    You may be right but just quickly there are

    1079 IB schools with 38% being in North America providing 44% of DP students
    69% of Diploma students come from Private Schools, 31% from state schools

    In the last 2 years there has been a
    - 48% growth in North America students
    - Global average has dropped 31 to 28.8

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