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    Quote Originally Posted by HK_Katherine:
    What absolute bollocks. People are all different. Some like to spend time with their families; and others prefer to work and get ahead. Legislating either one as the "only way to be" is fucked up.
    If people choose not to get married or have kids because they want to focus on their career instead then fair enough. But if people choose to have a family and then decide they would rather stay at work than see them, that is fucked up.

    How many times do you hear old men saying they wish they'd spent more time at work and less time with their family?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyhook:
    People like you are fucked up more like, if you accept working back. France is pleasant and it is family friendly, which to me, is important. My family is the most important thing to me.

    What you choose to do with your time is a personal decision, not a governmental one.



    Also, your interpretation of what lazy is I find quite distasteful and it reeks of being sold out to the man. Which is why so many people these days are miserable in the work place, or ruin their families when they neglect them by working all the time.


    Family comes first, most of Europe understands that, not just France.

    And to imply that people arent productive, good at what they do, successful because they dont work back late is a load of bullshit.

    From my observations, staff who worked back late, nearly always had personal relationship problems at home, so they didnt spend much time at home, using work as an excuse to escape because they were too much of a pussy to work things out at home. Smart post grad guys and girls lol, just not great at keeping relationships together.

    Anyway it's what i have seen in Australia, and especially here in the big birdcage, where infidelity is off the scale.








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    None of what you said relates to my post. It is nonsense.

    Telling people they can only work 35 hours a week and not email after 6:00 pm is total crap. Period.

    There are plenty of people who have no interest in having children or starting a family. Plenty of folks enjoy working.

    Should government restrict them to 35 hours a week and tell them when they can and can not email?
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    Quote Originally Posted by usehername:
    If people choose not to get married or have kids because they want to focus on their career instead then fair enough. But if people choose to have a family and then decide they would rather stay at work than see them, that is fucked up.

    How many times do you hear old men saying they wish they'd spent more time at work and less time with their family?
    True. In which case legislating a law like no emails after 6pm or a 35 work week is stupid. For those who choose not to have kids, they should be able to do as they please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by closedcasket:
    None of what you said relates to my post. It is nonsense.

    Telling people they can only work 35 hours a week and not email after 6:00 pm is total crap. Period.

    There are plenty of people who have no interest in having children or starting a family. Plenty of folks enjoy working.

    Should government restrict them to 35 hours a week and tell them when they can and can not email?

    You are failing to appreciate the socialist values on which France has built its society post La Révolution. If you make it a choice, this is not fair and equal for all.

    All that happens is that those who do not have a family work many hours, climb the ladder not because of talent or skill but because they sacrifice their outside life. Those that follow the french tradition of the primary importance of family life are disadvantaged.

    Regulation for fairness and family is the french way of life. I appreciate it may be hard for an American to understand, but if you go and spend some time there, you will see it is very different.

    Sure, it isn't for everyone, but it is very French. It does my head in sometimes, trying to get work done on the house. But it all gets done in the end, and I would rather spend 2 hours over lunch at the restaurant in the village than have the decorator be a miserable bastard that is working all hours to get the job done and move on to the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimwy66:
    You are failing to appreciate the socialist values on which France has built its society post La Révolution. If you make it a choice, this is not fair and equal for all.

    All that happens is that those who do not have a family work many hours, climb the ladder not because of talent or skill but because they sacrifice their outside life. Those that follow the french tradition of the primary importance of family life are disadvantaged.

    Regulation for fairness and family is the french way of life. I appreciate it may be hard for an American to understand, but if you go and spend some time there, you will see it is very different.

    Sure, it isn't for everyone, but it is very French. It does my head in sometimes, trying to get work done on the house. But it all gets done in the end, and I would rather spend 2 hours over lunch at the restaurant in the village than have the decorator be a miserable bastard that is working all hours to get the job done and move on to the next one.
    Thanks for the straightforward explanation. Your second paragraph sums it very well. But I think you'll find that plenty of Americans work a lot, spend time with the family and still manage to get ahead at work.

    Handcuffing the number of hours one can work, could be viewed as discrimatory towards those who aren't as naturally intelligent? Some people take longer to work things out than others....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kimwy66:
    You are failing to appreciate the socialist values on which France has built its society post La Révolution. If you make it a choice, this is not fair and equal for all.

    All that happens is that those who do not have a family work many hours, climb the ladder not because of talent or skill but because they sacrifice their outside life. Those that follow the french tradition of the primary importance of family life are disadvantaged.

    Regulation for fairness and family is the french way of life. I appreciate it may be hard for an American to understand, but if you go and spend some time there, you will see it is very different.

    Sure, it isn't for everyone, but it is very French. It does my head in sometimes, trying to get work done on the house. But it all gets done in the end, and I would rather spend 2 hours over lunch at the restaurant in the village than have the decorator be a miserable bastard that is working all hours to get the job done and move on to the next one.
    I'm beginning to have a grudging respect for the French!

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    Quote Originally Posted by closedcasket:
    True. In which case legislating a law like no emails after 6pm or a 35 work week is stupid. For those who choose not to have kids, they should be able to do as they please...
    I agree 35 hours seems a bit restrictive if people are trying to save up for something. But you spend the majority of your waking life at work. Why not value your free time? It doesn't mean you have to have a family, you can go climb a mountain or write a book or play hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by closedcasket:
    Telling people they can only work 35 hours a week and not email after 6:00 pm is total crap. Period.

    There are plenty of people who have no interest in having children or starting a family. Plenty of folks enjoy working.

    Should government restrict them to 35 hours a week and tell them when they can and can not email?
    I have no interest in having children or starting a family but that doesn't mean I want to spend my life at work!!! Are those my alternatives, kids or work?!! Just kill me now.

    I'm also perfectly capable of managing life without email after 6pm. Perhaps that's because I was born before email and the internet existed, or maybe because I value my quality of life and I can prioritise. Actually at the moment I have no way of accessing my work email unless I'm physically in the office. At first I found that hugely stressful as I was used to being on my BB 24/7 so I always knew what was going on and what I had to deal with next. After a month or two without the "crackberry" (or remote access of any kind), I've released it was a blessing in disguise. When I leave work in the evening, I leave work physically AND mentally. And I feel much better for it! My argument is always that if I'm that indispensable, you should be paying me a lot more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimwy66:
    You are failing to appreciate the socialist values on which France has built its society post La Révolution. If you make it a choice, this is not fair and equal for all.

    All that happens is that those who do not have a family work many hours, climb the ladder not because of talent or skill but because they sacrifice their outside life. Those that follow the french tradition of the primary importance of family life are disadvantaged.

    Regulation for fairness and family is the french way of life. I appreciate it may be hard for an American to understand, but if you go and spend some time there, you will see it is very different.

    Sure, it isn't for everyone, but it is very French. It does my head in sometimes, trying to get work done on the house. But it all gets done in the end, and I would rather spend 2 hours over lunch at the restaurant in the village than have the decorator be a miserable bastard that is working all hours to get the job done and move on to the next one.

    100% mon expérience et la compréhension.

    I LOVE the slow pace of France, and yeah, things are done slower, they are done the way things were done when I was a kid, an era and quality pace of life that I am very receptive to. You're totally right, French tradesmen do take their sweat time but they do get it done, eventually. You'll have discussions with them, wave your hands ( I talk with my hands lol ) around, totally animated and passionate and you know what, I LOVE IT ! It makes life a lot more vibrant and a little more interesting, sometimes the antics make you laugh.

    I like the chit chat with older members of society that are employed by department stores at the check out counter, as it reminds me that this society isn't willing to throw its old on the scrap heap, or keep them confined to the family home, they give them cashier jobs etc. Helpful people that turn up to work on time while giving them a sense of purpose instead of waiting for them to hurry up and die.

    It always makes me ask why so many western countries are forcing people to become so time poor when one of the biggest ( past ) attractions of the WESTERN way of life, was to have a generous amount of free time, ie a fairly balanced amount of work and play... the establishment of the 5 day, 9am - 5pm working week... O.K, the French and the Italians went a step further with longer lunches ( siesta etc ) but you have to ask why the WEST today is hell bent on making people work LONGER hours etc.

    To cite one example, the USA is quite an obvious culprit in how it crows on about freedom and liberty, yet, it has been screwing its own workers out of more and more free time over the past 40 years, bit by bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bibbju:
    I have no interest in having children or starting a family but that doesn't mean I want to spend my life at work!!! Are those my alternatives, kids or work?!! Just kill me now.

    I'm also perfectly capable of managing life without email after 6pm. Perhaps that's because I was born before email and the internet existed, or maybe because I value my quality of life and I can prioritise. Actually at the moment I have no way of accessing my work email unless I'm physically in the office. At first I found that hugely stressful as I was used to being on my BB 24/7 so I always knew what was going on and what I had to deal with next. After a month or two without the "crackberry" (or remote access of any kind), I've released it was a blessing in disguise. When I leave work in the evening, I leave work physically AND mentally. And I feel much better for it! My argument is always that if I'm that indispensable, you should be paying me a lot more.

    That's fine. I'm for choice. Some people might choose to work their butts off to retire early, some may enjoy working, some people have jobs that integrate into their lives. I choose to answer emails at all hours as it spreads my workload out more evenly. I don't like falling behind. I like flexibility and in many ways I feel like I'm always at work, yet I'm never working ( if that makes sense )

    Everyone is different and should be entitled to do as they please.
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