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    Quote Originally Posted by gilleshk:
    The point which is pretty obvious and I made before but will repeat again since you seem to be slow in comprehending is that this kind of celebration is based on hatred and it only fans the flame instead of accomplishing anything. It sparked outrage with good reasons when muslims did it on attacks on America and I imagine that if I notice the disrespect of those americans, it will resonate even more in other quarters.
    Typical that you have to respond with an ad hominen attack, speaks for yourself.

    But just so we are clear, I understood the point about inflaming hatred but - and that's where you reading comprehension obviously failed - was questioning your example which was only showing half the truth and as such it did not support your point.
    To me it makes a difference if someone celebrates the mass murder of innocents and those that celebrate the execution of the mass murderer.

    Furthermore the hatred from the Al Qaeda supporters will be there anyway, regardless if people celebrate on the streets or not. I certainly won't feel sorry that their feelings get hurt by that.

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    In post #54, I acknowledged that there's a difference however I don't believe that it makes it right to celebrate someone's death and as I said, it's pretty clear that Obama understood that by the tone and content of his address. If you think it's right to celebrate the killing of people and that hatred is naturally present and people, that's your prerogative... I have a different viewpoint.

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    I don't know why you keep on repeating Obama's behaviour, I don't disagree with how he handled it, in fact I thought it was very "presidential" of him. However the people in the street don't have to live up to the same standard in my view.


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    Osama dead means nothing unfortunately, Al Qaeda does not have a central command or leadership. The problem with media is that it portrays AQ as some organized group when in reality it never was. Killing OBL only strengthens their resolve and their determination.

    It's all a media play/media circus feeding the masses kool-aide to make people feel better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gilleshk:
    this kind of celebration is based on hatred and it only fans the flame instead of accomplishing anything.
    Also the ongoing lack of separation of religion and politics in the US will also not help.

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    Directed by Clint Eastwood - Starring Chuck Norris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DE FACTO EXPAT:
    Osama dead means nothing unfortunately, Al Qaeda does not have a central command or leadership. The problem with media is that it portrays AQ as some organized group when in reality it never was. Killing OBL only strengthens their resolve and their determination.

    It's all a media play/media circus feeding the masses kool-aide to make people feel better.
    Obviously people are going to feel better when a mass murderer gets his. It isn't "kool-aide" for the masses, it's retribution. Osama's existence was only symbolic since after 9/11 he was only a nominal leader. You've said it yourself - AQ is a diffuse group that has over the years been weakened into irrelevance - as far as OBL's death increasing AQ's supposed "strength and determination" I can't imagine how you increase a suicide bomber's determination since suicide bombing is the most despairing of political acts (NB: possibly for that reason, the only people AQ's tactics have ever resonated with were the more crazy of the Palestinian militants). Anyway, the point is to prevent the nuts from committing any more 9/11s, and for 10 years nothing of that magnitude has reoccured. At this point the Muslim world knows that there are better ways to improve their societies than through fantasies about achieving a return to a Medieval Caliphate by blowing oneself up and shouting 'death to the unbelievers'.

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    When I was in the sandbox, they always shouted "Allahu Akbar" but more commonly misquoted as "Allah Akbar".


    Quote Originally Posted by Freetrader:
    At this point the Muslim world knows that there are better ways to improve their societies than through fantasies about achieving a return to a Medieval Caliphate by blowing oneself up and shouting 'death to the unbelievers'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neha:
    Pakistan will demand a lot from US for their so called help in killing Osama( considering he was living in their capital)
    I thought the americans indicated that they told nobody about the operation - and especially not the pakistan security services - so how could they say they helped? If anything they hindered by allowing him to live there so long.

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    Today US officials (Brennan) are publicly saying that it is inconceivable that Bin Laden did not have a support network in Pakistan to evade capture all these years. Living in a compound with no phone lines... very odd.

    It is funny how raising legitimate questions gets the whack jobs panties all in a twist. Loz and Freetrader could have replaced Rumsfeld as Defence Secretary as he like these dudes did not let facts get in the way of a good war with Iraq.

    Here is another anti-American attack just like mine. Err, oh wait... this guy is head of US Intelligence. How un-American.

    Inconceivable Osama didn't have support system in Pakistan: US


    Inconceivable Osama didn't have support system in Pakistan: US

    Press Trust of India, Updated: May 03, 2011 00:52 IST

    Washington: The US today said it was "inconceivable" that Osama bin Laden had no support system inside Pakistan. The Obama adminstration is investigating how the Al Qaeda chief was able to hold on in the country for so long.

    While refusing to speculate on what kind of support Osama might have had in Pakistan, counter terrorism chief John Brennan did not rule out the possibility of the terrorist having official backing. "It is inconceivable that bin Laden did not have support system in the country that allowed him to remain there for extended period of time," Brennan told reporters at a news conference at the White House."


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