Another Frenchman....

[Mat]

He had sex with her - there has been no denial of that (despite what chateau and some others maintain) - the issue is of course whether it was consensual.

There has been denial of all charges (having consensual sex, if that is the case, is not something you are charged for, so he will of course not deny this).

[Freetrader]

Recent articles in Slate on the status of this (taking very different positions on the presumed outcome):

Strauss-Kahn's accuser discredited: A victory for corroboration and justice. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine

DSK Rape case collapsing: Did he do it?

[TheBrit]

I don't want to make a big side topic here, but what I pointed out before was that in some Asian countries, the culture requres a women to say "no no" even though she means "yes". (Japanese and Korean women are typical of this, but it also occurs with some of the women in Hong Kong).

Have you ever been to Japan or Korea? This idea of yours seems to stem from viewing too much porn rather than actual experience with Japanese/Korean partners.

[Freetrader]

There has been denial of all charges (having consensual sex, if that is the case, is not something you are charged for, so he will of course not deny this).

It has not been denied because it's clear that they had sex. In a rape case, the best way to defend yourself (and you don't have to be a defense attorney to know this) is to simply say, "I've never met the woman, and we certainly never had sex."

DSK doesn't have that option; the defense is that the sex was consensual.

BTW, It does help when one actually reads the newspapers rather than simpy posting an uninformed opinion...

[Freetrader]

Have you ever been to Japan or Korea? This idea of yours seems to stem from viewing too much porn rather than actual experience with Japanese/Korean partners.

It must be a relief that you and chateau are no longer allied, Mr. Brit. Like Charles De Gaulle and the idea of France Libre, an alliance with chataeu is a double-edged sword.

[chateau]

Have you ever been to Japan or Korea? This idea of yours seems to stem from viewing too much porn rather than actual experience with Japanese/Korean partners.

TheBrit - I do not want to distract from the main topic. (We can make a seperate thread on this if needed). But let me briefly make a final comment to reply to you.

Yes, this "no" expectation of the women of course is reflected in the erotica favoured by those cultures. Whether in movies, magazines, cartoons, these cultures prefer a women who appears "innocent", "cute" and initially "unwilling". But it is also very real behaviour I have observed from all Korean and Japanese women I have encountered (except for one Korean, who was an American Korean, who was much more direct and forward).

Now, I am not criticizing it at all, and indeed once understood it can seem quite nice compared to the more forward approach of Western women.

My only point here, is that for a Western man, engaging with a women of this culture and background, he risks easily becoming mis-understood, and he can quickly find himself in trouble if he does not understand the practice of her.

[Football16]

This won't help convict and with this sort of stuff if true will make it very hard to get the case before a judge. Chateau for all the wrong reasons might be right if this stuff keeps coming out. It could be a civil dispute at best if this is all true. Her lawyers could still go for the fleece and get him at least to settle it out of court.


NEW YORK POST: Maid In DSK Case Continued To Work As A Prostitute AFTER The Arrest


Yesterday the New York Post reported that the maid in the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case was a prostitute, a story that has been corroborated so far by nobody else.

But now the paper is back with an even more explosive bombshell, that the maid continued to see clients AFTER the arrest.

"While she was under our supervision, there were multiple 'dates' and encounters at the hotel on the DA's dime," the source said of her paid hotel room. "That's a great deal for her. She doesn't have to cover her expenses."

Read more: Maid In Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Suffers More Hits To Credibility

[Mat]

It has not been denied because it's clear that they had sex. In a rape case, the best way to defend yourself (and you don't have to be a defense attorney to know this) is to simply say, "I've never met the woman, and we certainly never had sex."

DSK doesn't have that option; the defense is that the sex was consensual.

BTW, It does help when one actually reads the newspapers rather than simpy posting an uninformed opinion...

It has been proven that traces of his semen were find in the hotel room and on her shirt.

It does not prove he had sex with her.

He cannot claim he does not know the woman - are you playing stupid here? - since he was in the same room as her, again there is evidence of this.

[Mat]

And FT: even if he had sex with her (consensual that is), does it deserve all the medias/justice circus?

I think we all agree that no, it does not.

IF indeed it is proven beyond doubt that she lied all the way, then:
1. indeed the US Judicial system works well in a way: it is possible to really conduct in depth research / background checks on alledged victims
2. the US Judicial system is badly flawed in the way media are brought in and the non "real" respect of "innocent until proven guilty"

[Freetrader]

This won't help convict and with this sort of stuff if true will make it very hard to get the case before a judge. Chateau for all the wrong reasons might be right if this stuff keeps coming out. It could be a civil dispute at best if this is all true. Her lawyers could still go for the fleece and get him at least to settle it out of court.


NEW YORK POST: Maid In DSK Case Continued To Work As A Prostitute AFTER The Arrest


Yesterday the New York Post reported that the maid in the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case was a prostitute, a story that has been corroborated so far by nobody else.

But now the paper is back with an even more explosive bombshell, that the maid continued to see clients AFTER the arrest.

"While she was under our supervision, there were multiple 'dates' and encounters at the hotel on the DA's dime," the source said of her paid hotel room. "That's a great deal for her. She doesn't have to cover her expenses."

Read more: Maid In Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Suffers More Hits To Credibility

Again, we don't know what happened, but that seems possible.

DSK may have foolishly offered to pay the hotel maid for sex, after which she cried rape. A scary and very possible scenario - difficult to defend against since (chateau and Mat take note) he clearly had sex with her. On the other hand, it is also possible that he did rape her - but her apparent shady background will make taking DSK to court very difficult. In that case, he would have chosen his 'victim' well.