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    What they need to do is give all these kids a phone with various addictive touch screen games so they can instead become zombies.

    Yes it'll be slightly annoying when they bump into you on the street or don't hold open a door but you can just console yourself with the relief that they didn't set you on fire.

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    I feel sorry for the kids. Everyone is always complaining that the youth of today are lazy, just sitting at home playing computer games, taking drugs, the girls getting pregnant. So eventually they get off their arses and do something active and then they get criticised for that. They can't win can they? They are just responding to the government advice to get 30 minutes of exercise a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumbrake:
    reliable source (geoexpat)??

    Why not go to the original source?

    IPCC - Update on Mark Duggan investigation including details of ballistic tests
    Two police shots were fired. Duggan was hit twice, once in the chest and once in the bicep. The bullet in the police radio was a police bullet. So does that mean one of the bullets went straight through Duggan and into the radio? If he was sitting in the car (was he?) then how does that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumbrake:
    reliable source (geoexpat)??

    Why not go to the original source?

    IPCC - Update on Mark Duggan investigation including details of ballistic tests
    Let me confess... I wasn't being 100% serious when I said geoexpat was a reliable source.

    Thanks for the link. It doesn't say whether the guy had the gun in his hand at the time he was shot though, which is what I was referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumbrake:
    reliable source (geoexpat)??

    Why not go to the original source?

    IPCC - Update on Mark Duggan investigation including details of ballistic tests
    Let's see... the police investigating the police...

    It's a bit like asking a tobacco manufacturers whether tobacco causes cancer, or gun dealers whether guns kill people, or owners of coal power plants whether CO2 causes global warming, or ...

    You get the picture...

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    Jacky, it is the independent police complaints commission


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    Quote Originally Posted by luckycat:
    Jacky, it is the independent police complaints commission
    Sorry, let me rephrase that:

    It's a bit like asking independent tobacco manufacturers whether tobacco causes cancer, or independent gun dealers whether guns kill people, or independent owners of coal power plants whether CO2 causes global warming, or ...

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    The IPCC in the UK is more independent than the IPCC in Hong Kong, although I agree that their thoroughness in investigating the death of Ian Tomlinson, as a recent example, leaves much to be desired.


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    Quote Originally Posted by luckycat:
    Jacky, it is the independent police complaints commission
    "In February 2008 over a hundred lawyers who specialise in handling police complaints resigned from its advisory body, citing various criticisms of the IPCC including a pattern of favouritism towards the police, indifference and rudeness towards complainants and complaints being rejected in spite of apparently powerful evidence in their support.[6]

    The IPCC responded to these criticisms with a letter to The Guardian,[1] in which IPCC Chair Nick Hardwick acknowledged some cases could have been handled differently in its infancy, but pointed out that despite repeated requests for the group to provide contemporary examples where expectations had not been met, there had been no further cases identified.

    It has been noted that "no policeman [sic] has ever been convicted of murder or manslaughter for a death following police contact, though there have been more than 400 such deaths in the past ten years alone."[7]"

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    Jacky, i am no expert but I don't think that the commissioners can be ex-police officers. I think there is a bar to that. Ithink you're reading too much into it.

    edit: Just read Hull's post. Interesting. Maybe there is something to be read into it!

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