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    Troy Davis

    Executed today in Georgia despite serious doubts about his guilt. Way to go America. Trying to catch up with China, Iran and Saudi Arabia?

    See The Guardian

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    The land of the free.


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    Is there any evidence the death penalty deters would be murderers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Is there any evidence the death penalty deters would be murderers?
    It certainly stops them doing it again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Is there any evidence the death penalty deters would be murderers?
    I seriously doubt it does.

    You can argue it stop them form re-doing it but still it's hard to justify it.

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    what really sucks is the " 3 strikes policy".

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    I'm not an opponent of the death penalty - I think there are certain crimes for which there is no coming back - but to have it I think you need to be 110% sure the guy did it. And there seem to be valid questions in the that department re this case. A "reasonable doubt" is a qualified doubt - perhaps "any doubt" should be the standard for death?

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    I was following this. As Moving says, there was some doubt here so why did they go ahead??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Satay Sue:
    I was following this. As Moving says, there was some doubt here so why did they go ahead??
    Capital punishment is NOT a deterrent if you check murder rates vs states that execute - go back into the high years. Two, it costs more to have a prisoner on death row (est. US$2 M) vs housing him/her for life given the processes and appeals.

    You have to have an understanding of the US justice system. The Supreme Court of the United States would only hear a case if there was evidence that the trial was somehow unfair and due process or errors in law were in effect. They would not interfere with the jury decision as trier of facts nor get flapped or hear evidence that 7 of 9 witnesses now are recanting/changing their stories. They would however hear the case if the trier of law messed up and higher courts above the court of competent jurisdiction seemed to mess up.

    It is true that policing today is mostly different from the bad old days where funny things happened in the zest to catch a crook. However there are many people who were totally innocent who would be dead today if not for abolition.

    State killings in the US are good for Governors who stand rock hard for guns and death penalties. No one wants the Gov. Mike Dukakis and the Willy Horton experience as Geo. Bush Senior mopped up in 1988 due to Willy Horton leaving jail on passes and kidnapping and killing (not sure of the latter). The ads can be seen on You Tube:

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    "Canada banned the death penalty because of fears about wrongful convictions, concerns about the state taking people's lives, and uncertainty about the death penalty's role as a deterrent for crime.[1]

    The 1959 conviction of 14-year-old Steven Truscott was a significant impetus (although certainly not the only one) toward the abolition of capital punishment. Truscott was sentenced to death for the murder of a classmate. His sentence was later commuted to a life sentence and in 2007 he was acquitted of the charges.
    At Truscott's acquittal there was NEW evidence the police covered up. It was a small town near an air force base and there was a convicted child molester (dead by 07) who should have been a person of interest but was not. Truscott's crime was that he admitted he and the girl were bike riding together and he left her for home so he was the guy.

    When this guy went public in '07 or so after using another name it was shocking that a nice, kind guy like him could be that way after being treated as he was.

    CBC News In Depth: Steven Truscott

    When the public heard and saw Truscott they too were shocked. This was not a guy hardened by prison or like others who get executed - bad guys who you wouldn't like. This man was a nice, kind, good and decent family man with not an ounce of hate in his body. That shocked all of Canada.
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    Death is too harsh for the innocent and too lenient for the guilty.

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