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    And some wonder why many in the rest of the world believe that americans are clueless about other countries. Maybe they are unable to do the gallon to litre conversion...

    You would be hard pressed to find a developed nation where gas prices isn't at least 50% more expensive. Most of Europe is around double the price...

    http://www.bloomberg.com/slideshow/2...ry.html#slide2


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    Quote Originally Posted by Watercooler:
    I agree HK's density isn't the ideal model to adopt. However, that doesn't mean the current urban sprawl model is acceptable and problem-free for the US. As I said, rejecting the ultra low density model of the US does not mean automatically going for the HK model. There has to be a better land-use model than the current one that exists in the US (and HK for that matter). Various historical reasons may have led to the suburban development that existed in the US, but with rising gas price (whether it is taxed or not), such development model is being increasingly questioned on it's sustainability.

    Agreed, but don't expect things to change quicky. By 2020 the IEA predicts that the USA wil be largest global oil PRODUCER (overtaking Russia and Saudi) and by 2030 the USA will become a net oil exporter. The US is soon to become the Oil 'salesman'......

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    Quote Originally Posted by closedcasket:
    Agreed, but don't expect things to change quicky. By 2020 the IEA predicts that the USA wil be largest global oil PRODUCER (overtaking Russia and Saudi) and by 2030 the USA will become a net oil exporter. The US is soon to become the Oil 'salesman'......
    Bring back the Hummer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lootoo:
    Bring back the Hummer!
    I know your kidding....but although the US will become the largest oil producer and a net exporter...they still won't be able to control the price. So don't expect gas to become cheaper because the US no longer needs to import it.
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    Not really. The price of a gallon is much higher when you factor in what the US goes through to ensure American consumers don't have to pay what you do in Europe.

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    I got more if you like? Most laudable old bean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_yang22:
    Not really. The price of a gallon is much higher when you factor in what the US goes through to ensure American consumers don't have to pay what you do in Europe.
    Can you translate that into English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    Can you translate that into English?
    Have you been to the US recently? The entire foreign policy is based on guaranteeing cheap supply of oil, hence gulf war 1 and 2. At the same time, municipalities are going nuts trying to get off it because of the strange and ironic scenario that going to the gas pump indirectly funds the enemy. Yes American consumers don't pay as much as anybody else in the world for a gallon of gas, but the "price" is very high.

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    Wow! Another one for the clueless brigade... The entire foreign policy??? Mmm how does China and Russia fit into that gem?

    You do realize that the US imports only about 40% of it's oil and that Canada is it's biggest exporter... Watch out for the invading beavers from north of the border The enemy is at your door!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_yang22:
    Yes American consumers don't pay as much as anybody else in the world for a gallon of gas, but the "price" is very high.
    The inflation adjusted cost of petrol trades in quite a narrow band and given that the quality of petrol now is many many times better than it used to be and fuel efficiency is much much better it does appear to be not that expensive in historical terms.

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