Let me do a quick stroll down memory lane and just take my own class of 30 students as an example...
Two guys from India
One guy from Sri Lanka
One guy from South Korea (actually Korean)
One guy from Japan (stayed one year, actually Japanese)
One guy from Finland
Two guys from Ireland (including myself)
Two guys from China (one HK, one 'BBC')
One guy from Trinidad & Tobago
One guy from Mauritius
One guy from somewhere in Africa that I never found out
One guy from Israel
One guy from Greece
One guy from Turkey
One guy from Iran
One guy from Wales
One guy from the Philippines
Two twins from Spain
Pretty much every one else was 'British English' provided you don't follow their family trees back to somewhere else in Europe.
Note: Yes, most of them are British Nationals and born in Britain. But I'm kind of talking about where their parents came from, and in many cases they hold foreign passports also.
The city of Vancouver(not GVRD) now has less than 35% of WASPs.
UK census shows that about 70% of the population consider themselves white and christian where as in the US about 75% consider themselves caucasians.
And census being what they are and with the rapid migration of people, these numbers are constantly changing.
And while we may like to think that we're just one big happy family, there's still plenty of stereotyping, racial profiling and tension between ethnic groups in every country.
The UK's heavily white as a whole - so is the USA. If we're talking cities, which if you're bringing up Toronto and Vancouver we must be, then London... well, London isn't heavily white. I haven't seen the census data for solely London (and it would be incorrect anyway as so many Londoners are fresh immigrants or transient) but I'd estimate at least half of the population aren't the 'WASP' type.
Is Vancouver THAT diverse though? Sure, there's a large non-WASP population, but there's also a very large Chinese population... I wouldn't say it's diverse in the sense of having literally hundreds of spoken languages and different races/cultures living alongside each other. It's something like 300 languages spoken in London, basically the highest anywhere, I don't think it's quite the same anywhere else in the world, apart from probably New York. And even NY is getting much harder to immigrate to now, reducing that...
Downs--okay, I will give you the (idiot) rogue cops, but I don't think Downs was prosecuted so the justice system fixed that. And there might be another side to the arrest, although the security guards caused the mess.
Ditto for Zirkel.
And the Bushies are over-zealous with their free speech zones. The law they are using has been around for almost 40 years and these guys are the first to use it this way. It was originaly set up to prevent assassinations and, I would argue, limiting free speech is not the intent.
So, I think you also overstate this. Yes, Bush is overly-aggressive with the application, but the law has been around for 40 years and he's the first doing this.
I guess my point is, and I am sure we will have to agree to disagree, that you take isolated events spread across years and make it seem like it is everday life in America. Plenty of Americans voiced disapproval to all those things you mentioned; it isn't like the country just agrees with it all.
Sorry, need to point out that those guys that were arrested were charged with tresspassing, not with wearing a t-shirt (although the ti-shirt and idiot rent-a-cops is what caused the conflict).
But I concede the "free speech" zone point. Bush should not be doing that and it is an affront to the Founders. Political free speech was (probably) upper-most in the minds of the Founders and Bush has no right to limit it the way he does. The Secret Service should have to show some sort of cause beyond "disagreement" to remove people.
Last edited by Sleuth; 27-06-2008 at 01:57 PM. Reason: Thought I should address the original message
Maybe we should have the right to bear arms in an airplane to defend against all those terrorists
But I think that showing an ID predates 9/11. And I am not sure how showing an ID is a massive inconvenience.
Hey tin foil... go get your meds. You're resurrecting threads that are almost your age