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    Duterte

    Rant warning.

    There was a piece on the SCMP online yesterday that called Duterte "Asia's Trump". Terrible piece of journalism but I suppose you can't blame the SCMP because the identical article has been published elsewhere previously. Note I am a Poe supporter so this is not defending my man.

    Both are anti-establishment, loud mouthed and say obnoxious things but that is where the similarity ends.

    Trump is a billionaire who lives the rich life. Duterte lives in a simple house drives an old model car and a secondhand motorbike (used to ride a Harley and patrol the streets with an automatic rifle).

    Trump is a Republican. Duterte says he is a socialist.

    Trump loves to brag about himself. Duterte is self-deprecating. Asked about his economic policies he said "I am not bright and good at copying" In other words carry on doing what they are doing now. (He was actually a lawyer and state prosecutor).

    Trump never apologises, Duterte does it all the time. "My stupid mouth gets the better of me".

    Trump has no record of public service, Duterte has a very strong record of public service. He has turned Davao from one of the roughest cities in the Philippines (which is saying a lot) to one of the safest in the world. GDP growth above the national average. FDI also above the national average I think. Only city with laws against discrimination on grounds of gender or ethnic minority or sexual orientation. He is a strong supporter of women's rights, the indigenous people and the LGBT community.

    Duterte has a 90% support in Davao where he has been Mayor for over 20 years. Trump is behind in the polls and it is argued his support is based on white blue collar voters. Duterte is ahead in the polls in all social categories, and has widespread support of Christians, Muslims, indigenous tribes.

    Rant over.

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    Duterte publicly supports vigilantes, said he'd pardon himself for the murders they'd carry out. Not sure if that makes him The Donald, but might be an aspect that should not be overlooked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by er2
    Duterte publicly supports vigilantes, said he'd pardon himself for the murders they'd carry out. Not sure if that makes him The Donald, but might be an aspect that should not be overlooked.
    Yes agreed, which is why I support Poe. However the media tends to report one side. For example it reports the vigilante killing of drug dealers but not that he set up a free 24 hour access drug rehabilitation clinic in the city (I think the only one in the country) or that the city has the best 911 service in the country, etc etc. Whether the ends justifies the means is the question posed to the electorate. The electorate of his city clearly believe so and they have lived under his rule for over 20 years. His womanising and attitude to women is often mentioned but not that his ex-wife is out campaigning for him or that the women in Davao support him partly for the work he has done on women's rights.

    As to the rest of tge article well garbage is what springs to mind. Roxas is not popular because of his poor campaigning. Nothing to do with his incompetence or inaction then?

    I know I am living in a fantasy world but some balanced reporting would be nice.

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    So you are saying the reports of undeclared millions are not true?


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    Bloomberg has a piece on him - have not read it fully yet.

    Mad Max Meets Trump? Meet the Man Leading the Philippine Presidential Race - Bloomberg


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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerSun
    So you are saying the reports of undeclared millions are not true?
    Very dubious.

    Reasons:
    If he was a billionaire as they are now claiming I wonder why at the age of 71 he still lives in a simple house living a simple life. Is he waiting until he is 90 before enjoying a bit of luxury?

    Apart from rumour there is little hard evidence

    The bank have certified that one account they claimed had 211 million in it has a few thousand and has over the past few years.

    Why has this all come to light one week before the election as he takes the lead in the polls when he has been in politics for over 20 years?

    Politics in the Philippines is very dirty, you can't believe anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shri
    Bloomberg has a piece on him - have not read it fully yet.

    Mad Max Meets Trump? Meet the Man Leading the Philippine Presidential Race - Bloomberg
    Yes read this. Better but still paints a false picture IMO.

    The image painted is of a poor uneducated outsider supported by the poor vs the rich and business.

    "His father was a lawyer". Yes but he was also an elected Governor, i.e. a powerful politician.

    He is not poor. His declared net wealth is about HKD 2.5 million, quite a bit for the Philippines. Though a lot less than the HKD 400 million they are sayimg he is hiding.

    He is not uneducated, he was a lawyer and prosecutor.

    His support is not based on the poor. Until recently he was running third in the polls amongst the poor.

    Business is not against him. He tops the polls in the ABC classes. At a recent invite only golf tournament run by the stock exchange (so you can imagine the make up of the 150 or so people there) they held a vote, Duterte was the clear winner. They also held a poll among Dept of Finance staff. Again Duterte was the clear winner.

    Of course Hitler had similar support
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    Another point. The international media are portraying the fall in the stock exchange and peso as being fear of Duterte. Analysts here say this is not the case, it is fear of the election. If Duterte does not win it is likely there will be trouble (election fraud is not unknown) and also it is possible there will be problems with the election itself (technical or political).


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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile
    Another point. The international media are portraying the fall in the stock exchange and peso as being fear of Duterte. Analysts here say this is not the case, it is fear of the election. If Duterte does not win it is likely there will be trouble (election fraud is not unknown) and also it is possible there will be problems with the election itself (technical or political).
    Well if there is election fraud, that would be criminal.

    Like Davao City, Duterte could clean-up the elections by reading a list of 'election criminals' to the media who are summarily assassinated by Duterte-endorsed death squads (sorry... extra-judicial killings). I guess the end justifies the means?
    Just saying... (with a pinch of trolling )

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte
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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile
    Of course Hitler had similar support
    Wot wot wot? You mean Duterte is overwhelmingly supported by women voters?

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/1878178

    And plenty of other sources available at your fingertips.

    Just doing my daily good deed.

    n=1: My helper is certainly gung ho for him.
    Last edited by Kinch; 05-05-2016 at 10:48 AM.
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