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    Anyway, it's trivial.

    Intellectual keyboard bashing types who have never worked with their hands really have no conception of how simple a bit of machining is. There is a whole world of supposed 'flyover country knuckle draggers' they ignore out there who know a whole lot more about a whole lot of stuff they can't imagine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by imparanoic:
    crudely made firmarms can be easily made, even convicts have improved basic materials to a working gun which is only effective at very close distance

    all professional made guns have twisting groove inside the barrel to ensure the projectile path to be straight and accurate, this is very hard to do with a basic lathe and machines
    Still not that hard in the West. Any sufficiently determined person can get during or after hours access to a modern machine shop and good raw materials. Sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinch:
    Still not that hard in the West. Any sufficiently determined person can get during or after hours access to a modern machine shop and good raw materials. Sorted.
    you need very expensive dedicated specialised machines to achieve this properly, very hard to get in UK

    The Making of a Rifled Barrel, FirearmsID.com

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    Customs officers the world over are corrupt. Not all of them, but how many do you need to be corrupt in any given jurisdiction for handguns to become a hot smuggled item?

    Every drug/prostitution/standover gang in Australia has zero problem getting hands on Glocks and submachine guns -- despite very stringent gun ownership laws.

    My views on gun ownership are well known. Let's not get into a pointless argument about this.

    Ignoring what I think about the right to bear arms, what cannot be denied is that a criminal will always be able to get hold of a gun. You or I can't do this because if we get caught with an illegal firearm, we go to prison, get a conviction record, and destroy our good little sheep citizen future employment prospects cum financial futures and eventually die impoverished on the old age pension eating dog food.

    Strangely enough, criminals don't care about criminal convictions and a year or two in the slammer -- which they had coming every now and then anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by imparanoic:
    you need very expensive dedicated specialised machines to achieve this properly, very hard to get in UK

    The Making of a Rifled Barrel, FirearmsID.com
    but it's not impossible to do with an expert even with simple improvised machines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinch:
    Very easy. You live in a third world country where home made guns abound. Hell, they can do it in Africa. They bang out amazingly good ones in Peshawar, but have yet to invent reticulated potable water supply or the flush toilet there.

    Pretty sure the UK has people capable of doing basic machining. These are 'solved problems'.
    Given that this thread is about the murder of a British politician likely by an extreme rightwing nutjob who believes in racial superiority I will not be responding (beyond this) to another extreme rightwing nutjob who believes in racial superiority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imparanoic:
    you need very expensive dedicated specialised machines to achieve this properly, very hard to get in UK

    The Making of a Rifled Barrel, FirearmsID.com
    I think what you'll find is that the equipment required to mass produce these things at speed is very expensive. Doing it bespoke on demand for clients (or some hobbyist doing for himself) is just going to require getting hands on some specialised machine tools, or modifying existing tools. This looks all very amazing to keyboard bangers like us. I suspect less so to to a (hypothetical) dude who apprenticed as a tool and die maker in Sheffield at age 15 and is now 60. Imagine the depth of knowledge and experience and capabilities of such a person when it comes to fabricating literally anything.

    And again. They make rifles in dirt floor shops in Peshawar. So anyone can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    Given that this thread is about the murder of a British politician likely by an extreme rightwing nutjob who believes in racial superiority I will not be responding (beyond this) to another extreme rightwing nutjob who believes in racial superiority.
    As always, putting words into my mouth, ascribing your own twisted version of my worldview to me, and attacking the man and not his arguments.

    Also known as ad hominem (sorry).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    I hope, I think forlornly, that this does not change British politics where MPs meet most weeks with their constituents with no security.

    Very sad day for British politics as well as her family. Her husband has said people should unite against hate.
    Nothing changed after Stephen Timms was stabbed by a nutjob - and that was in his constituency surgery, not on the street as in this case.
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    Yes the bravery of the man, 77, should not be overlooked.

    Mental illness comes up again and again in these senseless killings. A rather sick consequence of continual underspending.