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Labour MP Jo Cox Shot - Condition Critical

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrit
    A horrible day for the UK. From what I have read so far, looks like the killer had a history of mental illness. Wonder how an unemployed odd jobs labourer managed to get hold of a gun? Reports are he stabbed her several times too, as well as a bystander (in his seventies!) who tried to intervene.
    Yes the bravery of the man, 77, should not be overlooked.

    Mental illness comes up again and again in these senseless killings. A rather sick consequence of continual underspending.

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    Actually violence caused by mental illness was largely a solved problem until the left unsolved it.

    It's simple. People with schizophrenia, etc. need to be institutionalised. For the good of society, and for their own good.

    But no, leftists closed down all the mental institutions all over the Western world starting in the 1970s. In the interests of 'Human Rights' of course.

    The beautiful theory was that mentally ill people could be cared for 'in the community' (doncha just love these guys) and all would be rosy and copacetic.

    Naturally what happened, was lots of cushy jobs for social workers, homeless urine-soaked schizophrenics living under bridges, daily harassment of the taxpaying citizenry by aggressive scary looking beggars, and the occasional unprovoked violent outburst and fatality.

    But what does it matter if random members of the citizenry get inconvenienced or killed by mentally ill people? The good intentions of leftists are more important. Never forget that, right wing knuckle draggers like myself!

    Apparently the dignity of the mentally ill is more important than the safety of the wider population. Never mind that one might experience more dignity and 'human rights' when cared for and medicated and given occupational therapy in an institution than one experiences unwashed and stinking on a street corner begging.

    But still you guys will still be mystified that there are more violent loonies running about doing stuff than there were 50 years ago. I bet you genuinely cannot understand why and need to do lots of head scratching and TED Talks and get some massive new taxpayer funded studies to get to the bottom of it. But still, your people made this happen.

    NB: Leftists, I am not saying lock everybody up and shock treat and lobotomise them per One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest (altho can think of a handful of forum posters who might benefit from this). Schizophrenia is largely treatable by medication. The side effects are not super pleasant though, so many patients don't take them. I think they should have a choice: if incapable or unwilling to be medicated, they must consent to live in a controlled environment - for their safety and for ours.

    As always, kind-sounding policies have unexpected consequences. Ignoring what goes wrong and doubling down is not the way to make the world a better place. Which is what you leftists, want, isn't it?

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    An awful, senseless killing of a human being with such enormous potential. Very disturbing and sad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinch
    Actually violence caused by mental illness was largely a solved problem until the left unsolved it.

    It's simple. People with schizophrenia, etc. need to be institutionalised. For the good of society, and for their own good.

    But no, leftists closed down all the mental institutions all over the Western world starting in the 1970s. In the interests of 'Human Rights' of course.

    The beautiful theory was that mentally ill people could be cared for 'in the community' (doncha just love these guys) and all would be rosy and copacetic.

    Naturally what happened, was lots of cushy jobs for social workers, homeless urine-soaked schizophrenics living under bridges, daily harassment of the taxpaying citizenry by aggressive scary looking beggars, and the occasional unprovoked violent outburst and fatality.

    But what does it matter if random members of the citizenry get inconvenienced or killed by mentally ill people? The good intentions of leftists are more important. Never forget that, right wing knuckle draggers like myself!

    Apparently the dignity of the mentally ill is more important than the safety of the wider population. Never mind that one might experience more dignity and 'human rights' when cared for and medicated and given occupational therapy in an institution than one experiences unwashed and stinking on a street corner begging.

    But still you guys will still be mystified that there are more violent loonies running about doing stuff than there were 50 years ago. I bet you genuinely cannot understand why and need to do lots of head scratching and TED Talks and get some massive new taxpayer funded studies to get to the bottom of it. But still, your people made this happen.

    NB: Leftists, I am not saying lock everybody up and shock treat and lobotomise them per One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest (altho can think of a handful of forum posters who might benefit from this). Schizophrenia is largely treatable by medication. The side effects are not super pleasant though, so many patients don't take them. I think they should have a choice: if incapable or unwilling to be medicated, they must consent to live in a controlled environment - for their safety and for ours.

    As always, kind-sounding policies have unexpected consequences. Ignoring what goes wrong and doubling down is not the way to make the world a better place. Which is what you leftists, want, isn't it?
    Enoch Powell, famed leftist

    1961 was a turning point for institutionalised mental healthcare. Enoch Powell had stood as Health Minister for Harold McMillan’s conservative government since July 1960, and was set with the immense task of reforming the nations antiquating hospital services, including the Mental Hospitals.
    At the party conference in March 1961, Powell slammed the institutions. He spoke of the transition to community based care, the horrors of the asylums, the implications of the changes due, the services he envisaged and the finances needed to facilitate this. The speech set the wheels turning for community care. Please see below for further details of the speech.
    2.4. Enoch Powell's 1961 Speech | Cane Hill Hospital
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    Quote Originally Posted by shri
    OK .. serious question and not a wind up.

    How easy or difficult is it to get a gun the UK?
    Very easy if you're a crook. Much easier to get a handgun or a shotgun but, with money, you could get a semi-auto...

    Obviously much easier to get one on the black market than legally...you can't just buy a gun in the UK...

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    He apparently was associated with an American neo-nazi group from which he downloaded instructions on how to make the gun. Some witnesses say he shouted, "put Britain first". Apparent self-declared mental patient.

    Jo Cox dies: Did suspect Tommy Mair have far-right connections?


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    I guess the objective acid test as the days go by will be to ask ourselves. Do the facts of the case clarify and delineate a fork in the road, or do we end up in a fog of confusion and irrationality.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire


    Best handled with care by both sides. Slippery slopes and all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shri
    OK .. serious question and not a wind up.

    How easy or difficult is it to get a gun the UK?
    Difficult

    Guns for hire | The Economist

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    It was nice to see that both sides of the Brexit debate refrained from canvassing out of respect. Quite the opposite to what happened over the ditch earlier this week.


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