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    Obama is getting tons of blame for dividing the nation so badly to where it is today. LOL! The Vice news segment was well done I thought. Trump needs to go. Glad to see the Phoenix (mayor is it?) looking to cancel Trump's campaign rally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HK_Katherine
    The difficulty is that clear (to most sensible folk) one side of this debate is right and the other wrong. However, violence is also wrong. When the "good guys" use violence to perpetrate their agenda, they themselves open the door to be called out by it. We then get into a position where it;s much harder to defend right (as in, correct, not a political side).

    When the nazi's turn up with guns and mow down people with cars, it's probably very hard to turn the other cheek, but if they don't they become part of the problem. Although it takes a president to say an equal part of the problem.
    I also wondered that then i read this article of an eye-witness account. It maintains that the violence by the left was done in self defence. There are caveats that this is just one opinion and it may be biased, but aggressive violence and defensive violence is quite different (to me anyway).

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ght-left-trump

    However, i do have an issue with the left leaning internet vigilantes who name and shame those photographed at the protest. I think it is wrong to use this kind of justice and especially as they sometimes identify the wrong person, i am sure causing so much hurt and stress (which these vigilantes don;t take responsibility for.

    Professor wrongly labelled as racist in Charlottesville - BBC News
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    Quote Originally Posted by UK/HKboy
    I also wondered that then i read this article of an eye-witness account. It maintains that the violence by the left was done in self defence. There are caveats that this is just one opinion and it may be biased, but aggressive violence and defensive violence is quite different (to me anyway).

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ght-left-trump

    However, i do have an issue with the left leaning internet vigilantes who name and shame those photographed at the protest. I think it is wrong to use this kind of justice and especially as they sometimes identify the wrong person, i am sure causing so much hurt and stress (which these vigilantes don;t take responsibility for.

    Professor wrongly labelled as racist in Charlottesville - BBC News
    A tactic used by the nazis in the UK many years ago. I know because they named me together with my address and phone number. Resulted in a brick through our window narrowly missing the kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK_Katherine
    The difficulty is that clear (to most sensible folk) one side of this debate is right and the other wrong. However, violence is also wrong. When the "good guys" use violence to perpetrate their agenda, they themselves open the door to be called out by it. We then get into a position where it;s much harder to defend right (as in, correct, not a political side).
    Look at what Governor McAuliffe has to say about the situation. Even if counter protesters were also violent no rational person can consider their actions equivalent to those of the white supremacists.

    Charlottesville: Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe says police failure to control protest due to militia's 'better equipment' | The Independent

    Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe has said one of the reasons the police failed to control the violence during a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville was because militia members at the rally were armed with "better equipment" than the state police themselves.

    “It’s easy to criticise, but I can tell you this, 80 per cent of the people here had semiautomatic weapons," Mr McAuliffe said.

    Several members of militia groups, seen wearing tactical gear and carrying assault rifles, were marching from the early morning to Emancipation Park where the rally was supposed to take place to protest the removal of a statue of Civil War Confederate General Robert E Lee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merchantms
    Look at what Governor McAuliffe has to say about the situation. Even if counter protesters were also violent no rational person can consider their actions equivalent to those of the white supremacists.
    No one does - except your moronic president (sorry for you).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat
    No one does - except your moronic president (sorry for you).
    Honestly I didn't think my estimation of him could fall any further but this is really the last straw.

    If a group of Black Lives Matter protesters had turned up with semiautomatic weapons and run over people with a car, and Obama had said "there's blame on all sides" Congress would have drafted articles of impeachment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merchantms
    Honestly I didn't think my estimation of him could fall any further but this is really the last straw.

    If a group of Black Lives Matter protesters had turned up with semiautomatic weapons and run over people with a car, and Obama had said "there's blame on all sides" Congress would have drafted articles of impeachment.
    I'm hoping that this is the trigger that gets the republicans to start the process. If they can ever get over the risk to themselves that will entail.
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