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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    No, funneling money to shareholders, leaders, or members. A non-profit model doesn't support that structure.
    Tsk, tsk tsk... That is the theory...and then there's the real world... It is mostly true though

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    Nothing that you describe is counter to the non-profit model. Are you confusing non-profit with charity?

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    Of course it happens but there are check and balances and the rewards are generally not targeting the same individuals all the time and not systematically. A for profit school need not have any restrictions and can do pretty well whatever they like. It doesn't mean they will automatically be worse but anyone in the business know many horror stories. The growth in international schools in Asia has been rapid, the demand is high and there are many unscrupulous outfits that have cropped up. Even public schools in countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand have recruiting agents that go on trips to meet local agents in Asia to try to grab a piece of the international student pie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    Nothing that you describe is counter to the non-profit model. Are you confusing non-profit with charity?
    While it may not necessarily be explicitly illegal, it is counter to the spirit of the model where the institution is meant to benefit from the surplus and not selected individuals. As I said, in the real world, wheels sometimes need to be greased... There are times when there are improprieties such as the consultancy model and the awarding of various contracts to selected individuals/companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golem:
    While it may not necessarily be explicitly illegal...
    And that's where the story ends. A nonprofit is a legal entity. One cannot declare itself a nonprofit without adhering to the framework as described by the law.

    Hence I'm confused that DeletedUser would call people naive while sticking to a strict definition of what he interprets a nonprofit to be. If anything he's naive as to what a nonprofit in its legal form represents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    And that's where the story ends. A nonprofit is a legal entity. One cannot declare itself a nonprofit without adhering to the framework as described by the law.

    Hence I'm confused that DeletedUser would call people naive while sticking to a strict definition of what he interprets a nonprofit to be. If anything he's naive as to what a nonprofit in its legal form represents.
    Surely a non-profit vehicle is used as education is emotive but in reality private education providers are businesses in all but name using other legal means to transfer money out of the organisation.

    If a sensible regulatory framework is created and rent seeking monopolies abolished I am not sure what is wrong with allowing education providers to earn a profit. People don't mind that the following

    - Kindy
    - Collage
    - Universities

    can make a profit. It is just the in-between years that it gets all emotive. Perhaps because there isn't real competition with artificial catchment areas allowing the system to be bilked. Such guaranteed income systems gets bilked regardless of if they are profit or non-profit models. For government run schools teachers enjoy a fur lined rut where performance doesn't matter so much as the organisation can't go bust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    - Kindy
    - Collage
    - Universities
    None of the above require attendance by law.

    Where did you get your degree? Phoenix University?

    Looking forward to your gum flapping about for profit schools and voucheurs interspersed with mouth stuffing, ignoring things being said, and repeating the same point for 50 pages like you're doing on the Trump paid Stormy thread.




    NOT. Hence on ignore for the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    None of the above require attendance by law.

    Where did you get your degree? Phoenix University?

    Looking forward to your gum flapping about for profit schools and voucheurs interspersed with mouth stuffing, ignoring things being said, and repeating the same point for 50 pages like you're doing on the Trump paid Stormy thread.
    But privately run government funded education does exist in the compulsory years.

    Who pays and who manages a service do not have to be the same.

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    As I said, I believe that in order to get the land, international schools need to be non profit. The government is tightening the rules on those things and many private clubs may have to start paying fair market value for their land lease in the next few years. That would likely mean a significant increase in dues for its members. If the government were to introduce the same concept for schools, it would also seriously impact school fees. I've always found it odd that civil servants are allowed to receive subsidies for sending their kids to private schools. It seems like a colonial perk that should be eliminated. It's poor optics for government officials to send their kids away from government schools. It essentially means they are not doing a good enough job to send their kids there.