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Dear India, We're returning some shit that was stolen from you..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajohnso2:
    The way it was "gifted" we know it's not coming back
    There are three factors that should be considered

    1) Time
    2) How it was taken
    3) Location Context

    Time
    Many items have been around for a very long time and the civilisations that had ownership have come and gone. At some point in time the links con be broken with the past. A trinket from mesopotamia 6000 years ago has a very weak link to the current concept of the nation state

    How it was taken
    Items get sold, stolen, plundered, lost. If you buy something on the open market that may of been sold or stolen in the murky past it is different from plunder taken as prize. History is littered with wars where people do very desperate things in very desperate situations.

    Location context
    Some items lose context if not in their original location.

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    as my rusty memory recalls, India was not a British colonial territory in 1961. so it wasn't colonial booty but part of a lively international trade in trafficking stolen historical artefacts. this is not the Old Summer Palace. or even the Kooh I Noor


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    Quote Originally Posted by HK_Katherine:
    Why should it? Would any of us support Taiwan being "given back" to China? Things change. Items move. People move. Cultures change. Why is a bronze statue any better in India than in a museum in the west? Do folk in the West not have any need/right or want to know about other cultures? Sure, having this stuff in private hands may be more problematic, but not if it's on display somewhere. We are one planet.
    I think the point that is been missed here is that the statue was stolen and not gifted. India was free of British Rule in 1947 and these were stolen in 1961. A bronze statue or anything for that matter is better when it is with the rightful owner than being stolen and kept elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huja:
    Which segs to the joke . . . the British weren't looking to build and empire per se. They were just desperately looking for something decent to eat.
    https://www.economist.com/britain/20...nepeaspleaseme