Brexit: EU court says it can be cancelled

[shri]

Sterling rises after a top EU court advisor says the UK can cancel Brexit without asking for permission - http://cnbc.com/id/105605654

[shri]

From The Guardian

The court of justice said Sánchez-Bordona disagreed. “According to the advocate general, the dispute is genuine, the question is not merely academic, nor premature or superfluous, but has obvious practical importance and is essential in order to resolve the dispute,” the court said.

It added that he believed an article 50 process should be handled in the same way as any other international treaty: if a party wished to withdraw from it, it was able to do so unilaterally because it was a sovereign state.

“Unilateral revocation [of article 50] would also be a manifestation of the sovereignty of the departing member state, which chooses to reverse its initial decision,” Sánchez-Bordona said.

Jolyon Maugham QC, a lawyer and anti-Brexit campaigner whose Good Law Project funded the legal action, said the advocate general’s opinion “puts the decision about our future back into the hands of our own elected representatives, where it belongs … I’m sure MPs will now search their consciences and act in the best interests of the country.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...j-adviser-says

[HK_Katherine]

Bloody hell. That's a piece of good news. I had wondered how easy it would be to cancel article 50.

Next Tuesday should be interesting. I was going to type "fun" - but I think that is clearly the wrong word given the lose-lose-lose scenarios facing the UK right now. It's hard to imagine how a reasonably sensible country managed to get itself into such a god awful mess.

[East_coast]

Bloody hell. That's a piece of good news. I had wondered how easy it would be to cancel article 50.

Next Tuesday should be interesting. I was going to type "fun" - but I think that is clearly the wrong word given the lose-lose-lose scenarios facing the UK right now. It's hard to imagine how a reasonably sensible country managed to get itself into such a god awful mess.

Discarding the results of a referendum which one of the principle emotive issues was the democratic deficit of the EU because the political and urban elite didn't like the result and the EU want the UK to in the club would only deepen the mess not make it better.

The deal on the table pleases no one so perhaps it is not that bad...

[hullexile]

Discarding the results of a referendum which one of the principle emotive issues was the democratic deficit of the EU because the political and urban elite didn't like the result and the EU want the UK to in the club would only deepen the mess not make it better.

The deal on the table pleases no one so perhaps it is not that bad...

I think it is hard to write off 48% of the vote as being the elite. That was then I am pretty sure the figure would be a lot higher now. Strange that you often go about the democratic deficit but seem totally opposed to allowing the populace to express their views through a second referendum because the result would be different to your preference - especially as you are not even British

[East_coast]

I think it is hard to write off 48% of the vote as being the elite.

Mrs May seems to plotting a middleish option and does not appear to of ignored the slight minority remain.

That was then I am pretty sure the figure would be a lot higher now.

And it may be lower after a few years of sitting on the edge of the E.U. in a Korean / Norway type arrangement. If it doesn't work then the approach can change again.

Strange that you often go about the democratic deficit but seem totally opposed to allowing the populace to express their views through a second referendum because the result would be different to your preference - especially as you are not even British

I do believe the least worst option for significant constitutional reform is a referendum. The executive branch of government ignoring the results and timing a re-vote so the result will be different discredits the concept of the populace being able to change the way they are governed as the executive will just game the system to overturn any result.

Going from an opt-out to an opt-in relationship with the EU should not be that dramatic but people are very emotive about it. IF both parties work for the best outcome it should hopefully not be that bad but unfortunately it looks like my ideals will not be met in the short term

[hullexile]

Mrs May seems to plotting a middleish option and does not appear to of ignored the slight minority remain.



And it may be lower after a few years of sitting on the edge of the E.U. in a Korean / Norway type arrangement. If it doesn't work then the approach can change again.



I do believe the least worst option for significant constitutional reform is a referendum. The executive branch of government ignoring the results and timing a re-vote so the result will be different discredits the concept of the populace being able to change the way they are governed as the executive will just game the system to overturn any result.

Going from an opt-out to an opt-in relationship with the EU should not be that dramatic but people are very emotive about it. IF both parties work for the best outcome it should hopefully not be that bad but unfortunately it looks like my ideals will not be met in the short term

The demand for a second vote appears to be more bottom up rather than top down. Perhaps a referendum on whether there should be a second referendum . Being serious there appears to be a groundswell for a second vote, surely if that is the will of the people then it should happen?

What is likely to happen is May gets defeated, there is a vote of no confidence, a general election in which Labour offer a second vote, they win, second vote, UK stays in EU.

[East_coast]

The demand for a second vote appears to be more bottom up rather than top down. Perhaps a referendum on whether there should be a second referendum . Being serious there appears to be a groundswell for a second vote, surely if that is the will of the people then it should happen?

Perhaps or it could be better news if there is a possibility to be talked about. The polls for the 12 months up to the Brexit vote probably showed bigger margin for remain than currently exists in the polls that I have seen. It just doesn't feel compelling. Again if Labour had of campaigned with some vigor the UK would almost certainly not be leaving the E.U.

What is likely to happen is May gets defeated, there is a vote of no confidence, a general election in which Labour offer a second vote, they win, second vote, UK stays in EU.

Corbyn v Gove

I suspect Gove would win that one

[hullexile]

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Yes I did invest some, been volatile so really depends on the time frame you choose to do the calculation. With my pension in pounds and all my spending in peso I am always going to be mostly dependent on the pound to peso exchange rate though.

[kimwy66]

So, quite the day yesterday:

1. EU Court of Justice says Brexit can be cancelled.

2. Historic vote in Parliament sees the Government found in contempt of the Parliament for not publishing the legal advice on the Deal

3. Dominic Grieve (former Attorney General) gets an amendment passed saying that if the deal is voted down next week, then parliament decides the next course.

Number 3 is an interesting one. Does this make a No Brexit more likely as the hardline Brexiteers get behind a Brexit at all costs option?