Terrorism is a crime. Every civilised nation in the world has established procedures to deal with crime (as well as internationally recognised ones). It is fairly widely accepted that the worst crime that can be committed is murder. Terrorism, more often than not, results in murder. In the US, China and Indonesia, to name a few, the death penalty is an sentence available as a punishment for murder.
It is fairly clear that you believe death to be the only punishment appropriate for acts of terrorism that result in the loss of life; The Bali bombers (terrorists) were recently executed. Problem solved? Or did they die as martyrs and will they serve as further incitement (if any was needed) to the next wave of extremists who wish to carry out attacks? There is certainly no argument to suggest that by executing them a small battle has been won against terrorism, death is not a deterrent to suicide bombers.
So please explain to me exactly how you would with 'deal with it', because so far your arguments contain about as much weight and substance as a fart in the wind...
How was the decades long conflict in Northern Ireland (with the terrorists actively supported in terms of finance and weaponry by citizens of that anti-terrorist hardliner the USA) brought to an end? Through torture, mass imprisonment of suspects, shoot to kill? No all these failed, what actually worked was dialogue. Now I am not suggesting the same applies to these people. I think what is needed here is more to do with cutting off their support whereas what we are doing at the moment is increasing their support.
As entertaining as it is to read- I would like to point out that none of us live in a fairy tale land. If we did, it wouldn't be a fairy tale.
I'm just saying.........
Last edited by Lammarite; 01-12-2008 at 02:46 PM.
Killing them (we have been doing it for a while now) seems not to be working (else why did it happen in Mumbai once again)
Torturing them seems not to been working too, since we can't capture the leaders/organizers
Time to maybe think about another way. Not saying I know which other way, just saying blindly claiming:
"we should torture them to get information or we should kill the bastards who did it" seems not to be the right solution.
On the other hand we have the Iranien President who sent (for the first time) his congratulations to Obama for his election. The cynic will say it is a strategy to better fuck him later. Well maybe...
But it can also be a new way of handling very sensitive situations and maybe reduce terrorist attacks -we shall see
I've learned over the year that hate and anger breed the same. You can't force your opinions on others and you can't use violence (or the threat of it) to get what you want. To do so is to be as bad as the terrorists. All you can do is express yourself and hope the other side understands where you're coming from. Torture will make weak people say anything, and it will be entirely ineffective against those who are intent on keeping their mouths shut because they believe they're right. People have to realize the error of their ways on their own, or they never will.
Now I'm not saying we shouldn't defend ourselves to protect our own lives. Far from it. As some of you know, I advocate the use of lethal force when it comes to saving lives. I hope if it ever comes down to it, I won't hesitate to quickly put anyone threatening my life or someone else's out of commission, be it with a gun, knife or my martial arts training.
Hull, I'm not saying that criminals should be tortured. I'm pointing out that so many people insist here that if we just follow the rules of law, abide by the geneva convention etc everything will work out fine. Until you have all parties involved playing by the same rules (something that will never happen) it's just a ludicrous thought.
Danielandhayley, I'm glad the Bali bombers were executed. They would be considered martyrs by their followers whether they were left to rot in jail or executed. These people use religion as an excuse to kill when no religion says it is ok to kill innocent people. They are violent, murderous types looking for a reason to justify their blood lust.
Again, we need to focus on education and where that doesn't work, punishment should be meted out to fit the crime. No systems are perfect, that's the very nature of having a world run by humans so we do the best we can with what we have. You don't feed a lion peanuts, you don't reason with a terrorist.