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    Quote Originally Posted by MABinPengChau:
    Yeah, in a Japanese company, you will always be the gaijin, no matter how much of the language you learn, how much you try to fit in, this is why HK is very refreshing to me, a much more open society.

    I am sure there are many more Japanese executives with "financial irregularities" that are not prosecuted...

    Anyway, he got out in a private plane so, yeah, pretty sure you can manage that without a passport and in the middle of the night...good for him. Something like a 99.7 percent conviction rate (not sure if that includes the many "confessions" that are extracted).
    True, but I still prefer working and living in Japan vs Hong Kong. Society is more polite, much more harmony and the sense of humour is much more self deprecating. Crime is lower and people are much much more honest. Problem is if your Japanese language skills arent great, then your career options are limited.

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    I disagree but if you are right, people will literally have to fall on the sword.

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    And he has released a statement. This should be fun. I'm surprised they did not get an oath of silence in return for his "escape".


    https://twitter.com/lisadont/status/...282241/photo/1

    Last edited by shri; 31-12-2019 at 11:53 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huja:
    I disagree but if you are right, people will literally have to fall on the sword.
    I am sort of in agreement with DeletedUser here - if they'd wanted to bury this, they'd have done it "officially" and sent him off with a proper sealed agreement. This is a in no way a "win-win", now that Goshn has released a statement (assuming its not faked...).
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    Indeed.

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    Just for kicks, I looked up extradition policies of the countries Ghosn holds citizenship in and it looks like he's well out of the reach of Japan . . .

    From Library of Congress website. N.B. Ghosn is Brazil-born.

    According to the Brazilian Constitution, everyone is equal before the law, without distinction, guaranteeing to Brazilians and foreigners residing in the Country the inviolability of the rights to life, liberty, equality, security, and property.[1] The Constitution also provides that no Brazilian may be extradited except for a naturalized Brazilian, if extradition is requested for a common crime committed prior to naturalization or for proven involvement in unlawful traffic in narcotics and similar drugs, as provided by law.[2] Additionally, no foreigner can be extradited for a political or ideological offense.[3] The Brazilian Federal Supreme Court has original jurisdiction to try and decide extradition requests from foreign States.[4]
    From NYTimes
    Lebanon does not have an extradition treaty with Japan, according to Japan's justice ministry, making it unlikely that he could be forced to return to Tokyo to face trial.
    From Wikipedia
    Some countries, such as Austria,[16] Brazil,[17] the Czech Republic,[18] France,[19][20] Germany,[21] Japan,[22] Norway,[23] the People's Republic of China,[24] the Republic of China (Taiwan),[25] Russia,[26] Saudi Arabia,[27] Switzerland[28] and Syria,[29] forbid extradition of their own citizens. These countries often have laws in place that give them jurisdiction over crimes committed abroad by or against citizens. By virtue of such jurisdiction, they prosecute and try citizens accused of crimes committed abroad as if the crime had occurred within the country's borders (see, e.g., trial of Xiao Zhen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shri:
    If the material is “too sensitive” for exposure in a criminal case, perhaps the prosecutors shouldn’t have it provided and be relying on it. One-sided access to information is hardly acceptable from a fair defence perspective.

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    That is quite a different kettle of fish.

    Regarding the question whether you can do that on your own without speaking/writing Japanese: well, no, but on the other hand, if you have a smart team of lawyers that can convince the company accountants that all of this is fine for some time, then that's how it is gonna be.

    I am sure Ghosn will argue that all of this was fine and completely legal and they just wanted to get rid of him, and CEOs need to get paid one way or the other. That's all fine, but in my mind financial responsibility starts at the top, and CEOs need to keep their hands clean and above the table.[/FONT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharSiuNow:
    Regarding the question whether you can do that on your own without speaking/writing Japanese: well, no, but on the other hand, if you have a smart team of lawyers that can convince the company accountants that all of this is fine for some time, then that's how it is gonna be.
    .[/FONT]
    If he got the company lawyers to tell him and the accountants that their conduct was completely legal than I don't see how Ghosn should be prosecuted for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgoodkat:
    If he got the company lawyers to tell him and the accountants that their conduct was completely legal than I don't see how Ghosn should be prosecuted for that.
    Same as the Enron C level was prosecuted. That you convince the accountant it's legal doesn't make it legal, or vice versa.

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