Last edited by mrgoodkat; 18-03-2020 at 08:00 PM.
You are mistaken if you think America alone can suppress China. China is not the Soviet Union, despite sharing a communist political system. It is a lot more capable and smarter than the Soviets ever were.
And even in the case of the Soviet Union, the US didn't won the Cold War all by itself. And it was won not just by military and economic strength, but also the belief in the superior value of the US. The biggest failing of Trump is that he has a moral value deficit. He advocates America First, great, but to constrain the CCP, America acting alone is insufficent and inadequate. He has to rally allied nations to his side. The Cold War after all was not won by the US alone, but allies in Western Europe and Asia also contributed. And no matter how flawed or dubious some of the US Cold War actions were, in general, there was still a belief that America represented liberal values of freedom that is superior and preferable to the communist dictatorship of the USSR. That matters. America had the "shining beacon on a hill" symbolism that attracted believers to their side.
But Trump has none of that. If anything, traditional US allies are repulsed by Trump and his "make America great again" actions. He is acting against China not because it represented some ideological threat that will spread authoritarianism around the world, but it is an economic threat with the potential to usurp the no.1 spot in the world economic ranking from the US. There is no underlying value to rally around, like liberal values vs communism as in the case of the Cold War.
Last edited by Coolboy; 18-03-2020 at 08:11 PM.
Just look at Trudeau. Canada has been one the most attacked countries and the one with the most reasons to join Trump. He should have banned Huawei by now and expelled a few diplomats for the way China bullied Canada over the whole extradition saga. But he hasn't because that wouldn't be very woke and liberal of him. Or Merkel, Germany is probably one of the countries suffering most from Chinese industrial espionage. But she hasn't spoken out or organized the EU countries against China either.
The sad reality is that there is not a single liberal head of state willing to organize or join a concerted push back. They are all still believing in appeasement. For that reason we have to be happy with whatever Trump is doing for whatever his reasons may be. I don't believe that Biden or Sanders would rally allied nations to Americas side against China, do you?
The problem is that Trump is seen, fairly or not, as undermining those values, hence damaging the consensus between the US and the rest of the Western world. If Trump is seen as a threat to the very foundation of Western political thought, then how can they rally around him?
Great debate here. Calling out the motivations and practicality on one hand, and the failure of appeasement and the appeal of a principled stand on the other.
Sad thing is both sides are posturing for their domestic audiences, and China will get more practical benefit for their targeted expulsions than the West will. If Trump gets anything, maybe it’s another Tower?