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    No straight answer. Who will decide who should lead the country and set the benchmark for poverty eradication etc. etc. Not to mention "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". Even in the ideal scenario, when everyone is happy and healthy and rich, why would the "leader" step aside?

    We see this in key places (China, Russia etc.). Those models work fine, until they don't. With Xi and Putin effectively making themselves as leader for life, things could go real bad once they start loosing their grip. No one would care about education, health, infrastructure etc. when that happens.

    That said, it would take a collective effort in India to realise the dire situations and do something about it. It's not going to be easy, but it must be done.
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    China has its unique style of cxecks and balances. It is ruled by a collective. Elder "retired"leaders still have a say. Not possible for one small group to mess it all up. The CCP does self critism behind closed doors. Leaders are expected to criticie the CCP. Leaders swear to put aside self interest, states interest is always first. Corrupt leaders are purged regularly. Deng and others put systems in place to prevent Mao 2.0. Aalot of it sounds like Confucianism.

    the system of checks and balances work well for 40+ years

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    And somehow a thread by our resident Trumper about Indian moral failures has turned into a tribute to Utopia.. My mind is boggled with all the insider info we get on here.

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    In spite of sometimes tense relations between China and India over the unresolved border and Pakistan, both China and India shared many similiar challenges as large developing countries. What is the difference is the way both countries approach the issues.

    Speaking with many Indians, I do notice some of them do have...how should I put it, a certain envy for the achievement of China in the last 30 years, they say look at what China has done, less talk, more action. Enough of this messy democracy where there are endless parliamentary debates but nothing ever gets done. The long promised hospital that never gets built. The dirt track that badly needed to be made in to a paved road...that never gets done. The empty schools with no teachers because there wasn't the money to bribe them (their own words, not mine).

    But of course, dictatorship by itself would not automatically solve the problems. India flirted with non-democratic rule too, with Indira Gandhi's Emergency, and the result of that was decidedly mixed...at best, or downright horrifying, if you consider the sterilizations. Rather the key seems to be performance legitimacy. To better ensure those in power's ability to hold office be based more on their ability to perform, to deliver the basic infrastructure, clean water, electricity, medical care and education, to the masses. Democracy in India was supposed to address that, but clearly the current model isn't quite working.

    Even in China pre-Xi, the government wasn't totally unaccountable, there was also a degree of performance legitimacy. Deng demanded the government deliver results for the people in improved living standards, local governments had a quota to meet, so to speak, in the number of factories set up, firms established and jobs created, etc.

    So the key it seems is to better marry democracy with performance legitimacy. The question of course, is how to accomplish that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euless:
    China has its unique style of cxecks and balances. It is ruled by a collective. Elder "retired"leaders still have a say. Not possible for one small group to mess it all up. The CCP does self critism behind closed doors. Leaders are expected to criticie the CCP. Leaders swear to put aside self interest, states interest is always first. Corrupt leaders are purged regularly. Deng and others put systems in place to prevent Mao 2.0. Aalot of it sounds like Confucianism.

    the system of checks and balances work well for 40+ years
    Does that include the Cultural Revolution as one of the checks?
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    What Modi did in the lead up to India's castastrophic second wave:

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...tl-hnk-vpx.cnn


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    Moral failure...What a joke... We're surrounded by moral failures everywhere and who exactly is supposed to be the arbitrator of what is moral or not? The greatest moral failure of our generation... It's basically pointless rhetoric used to glorify one's agenda and launch criticism from a pretentious self made high ground.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis:
    who exactly is supposed to be the arbitrator of what is moral or not? .
    He is called common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolboy:
    Yes, but you can't deny there are glaring inequalities with India's governance right?
    How do you define inequality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    How do you define inequality?

    Common sense, personal experience and statistics:

    https://www.oxfam.org/en/india-extre...uality-numbers