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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    Have you got any evidence to support your hospitalisation claim? I am sure it is a factor but I see nothing to suggest numbers falling off a cliff.
    Of course this is one of the problems with the current system; it's set upon to shine a spotlight on covid cases in a way that does not occur for every other condition out there.

    Thus pragmatic doctors have to go against the system to point this out. You need to remember that a lack of data tells the story too.

    But despite that, yes there's plenty of accounts scattered over the last few years that paint a picture of the reality.

    For 1, the UK publishes 2 death results now. Covid on the death cert and covid as a primary cause - that's one bit of real data, but is still suggested to understate reality.

    But even from the article just posted by cornmeal:

    In a Dec. 30 briefing, Kieran Moore said that one Ontario hospital had estimated that up to 50 per cent of its COVID-19 patients were “incidental.” That is, the patient was admitted for another condition and a routine test for COVID-19 happened to come up positive.

    In U.S. jurisdictions keeping closer tabs on “incidental” infections, the rates are even higher. On Tuesday, the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services reported that roughly two-thirds of its COVID-19 patients were admitted for conditions other than the coronavirus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    And the Communist Party have objected because vaccinated people can get infected too.

    Meanwhile 45% of the population are fully vaccinated and 85% of hospital admissions are unvaccinated.
    Never thought I would agree with a “Communist Party” on anything. Sad days indeed when it takes the fringes to air reasonable points because the orthodox are too busy preaching received wisdom and calling doing that “science”. [OT long read that might be of interest, with bonus mentions of Occam’s Razor] - https://www.giffordlectures.org/book...kepler-galileo

    Since omicron and the apparent failure of “herd immunity”, I don’t feel I hear so much the previously oft repeated “pandemic of the unvaccinated”, which I did believe plausible if unfortunate, since that actually meant people vaccinating didn’t manage to protect others, just reduced the pool of people vulnerable to hospitalisation. So a 100m population with 70-80% vaccination rate would still have 20-30m unshielded from the full effects of Covid - i.e. no wider protective cloak because supposedly the 20-30m could pass it amongst themselves.

    Since omicron, anybody with eyes can see that it is the vaccinated majority vigorously spreading the virus, with vaccinations providing cover for abandoning social distancing, and the obvious Christmas and New Year spikes.

    Now, you are correctly pointing out that hospitalisations are primarily of the unvaccinated, but if usage of the hospital system is the true concern, then surely limiting the movement of the elderly must be more pertinent than targeting the unvaccinated, unless we are denying that they are the ones needing it most, since it is not most of the unvaccinated being hospitalised, just most of the hospitalised being unvaccinated. That is of course, unless some other agenda is being pursued. So if we wanted to limit utilisation, what is needed is curbs on the vulnerable age groups.

    In terms of fairness, it should be made clear to the unvaccinated that they would be de-prioritised in the hospital system. That is a fair and proportionate move in response to their own choices. What is not, is some spurious measures to restrict their freedom because “only they spread the virus”, or “they are responsible for a disproportionate number of hospital admissions”, when a careful look likely reveals you still have a lot more vaccinated elderly entering hospitals than the unvaccinated younger groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0:
    Never thought I would agree with a “Communist Party” on anything. Sad days indeed when it takes the fringes to air reasonable points because the orthodox are too busy preaching received wisdom and calling doing that “science”. [OT long read that might be of interest, with bonus mentions of Occam’s Razor] - https://www.giffordlectures.org/book...kepler-galileo

    Since omicron and the apparent failure of “herd immunity”, I don’t feel I hear so much the previously oft repeated “pandemic of the unvaccinated”, which I did believe plausible if unfortunate, since that actually meant people vaccinating didn’t manage to protect others, just reduced the pool of people vulnerable to hospitalisation. So a 100m population with 70-80% vaccination rate would still have 20-30m unshielded from the full effects of Covid - i.e. no wider protective cloak because supposedly the 20-30m could pass it amongst themselves.

    Since omicron, anybody with eyes can see that it is the vaccinated majority vigorously spreading the virus, with vaccinations providing cover for abandoning social distancing, and the obvious Christmas and New Year spikes.

    Now, you are correctly pointing out that hospitalisations are primarily of the unvaccinated, but if usage of the hospital system is the true concern, then surely limiting the movement of the elderly must be more pertinent than targeting the unvaccinated, unless we are denying that they are the ones needing it most, since it is not most of the unvaccinated being hospitalised, just most of the hospitalised being unvaccinated. That is of course, unless some other agenda is being pursued. So if we wanted to limit utilisation, what is needed is curbs on the vulnerable age groups.

    In terms of fairness, it should be made clear to the unvaccinated that they would be de-prioritised in the hospital system. That is a fair and proportionate move in response to their own choices. What is not, is some spurious measures to restrict their freedom because “only they spread the virus”, or “they are responsible for a disproportionate number of hospital admissions”, when a careful look likely reveals you still have a lot more vaccinated elderly entering hospitals than the unvaccinated younger groups.
    The elderly (and minors) are also banned.

    The unvaccinated take up a very high percentage of the very limited hospital beds. This pushes out all the other sick because they can't get a bed. So my wife's cousin in the previous wave had to go to another city to get a hospital bed for kidney failure (she died).

    Everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated and there is absolutely no reason not to do so.

    The figures in the Philippines are misleading in that 45% of the population are fully vaccinated but children make up nearly half the population, so of adults it is more like 80% and in Manila and other cities including my own it is all but 100%.

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    Australians are still exploding in a fit of fury over the decision to let the world number 1 tennis player in unvaccinated, granted an exemption, this dickhead stubbornly refuses to reveal why he was granted an exemption, tennis organisers just say its "private reason and only Novak himself can choose whether he wants to reveal the reason or not". Just the biggest and most arrogant prick on the planet. Even the English cricket team, currently on an Ashes tour of Australia, have not been able to escape certain COVID regulations but for tennis players they can just do what they want. This is a huge disgrace and the entire tennis world should be ashamed of themselves!

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis...6fc0098ba02bca

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdw:
    Australians are still exploding in a fit of fury over the decision to let the world number 1 tennis player in unvaccinated, granted an exemption, this dickhead stubbornly refuses to reveal why he was granted an exemption, tennis organisers just say its "private reason and only Novak himself can choose whether he wants to reveal the reason or not". Just the biggest and most arrogant prick on the planet. Even the English cricket team, currently on an Ashes tour of Australia, have not been able to escape certain COVID regulations but for tennis players they can just do what they want. This is a huge disgrace and the entire tennis world should be ashamed of themselves!

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis...6fc0098ba02bca
    I wonder what level of service he will get in the hotel?
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    In other Australian news, 64k positive cases reported today. But this is massively under reported since we have basically ran out of tests. Australians have been queuing in their cars for days to get PCR test, then getting turned away. Now we have switched to the rapid antigen test that you can do at home, and a positive RAT test is now required before you can get a PCR test. But we don't have any RAT's either and they are sold out everywhere, a few dodgy restaurants selling on Uber eats for 5 times the price it should be, and infinitely more expensive than the free handouts they have in Europe. So now, unless they are dying, most Aussies with COVID will just stay at home for a while until they feel better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdw:
    In other Australian news, 64k positive cases reported today. But this is massively under reported since we have basically ran out of tests. Australians have been queuing in their cars for days to get PCR test, then getting turned away. Now we have switched to the rapid antigen test that you can do at home, and a positive RAT test is now required before you can get a PCR test. But we don't have any RAT's either and they are sold out everywhere, a few dodgy restaurants selling on Uber eats for 5 times the price it should be, and infinitely more expensive than the free handouts they have in Europe. So now, unless they are dying, most Aussies with COVID will just stay at home for a while until they feel better.

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    Three Greek yiros or an antigen test? I would diagnose myself and have a happy tummy.
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    The numbers keep getting bigger. France beating UK now.

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...es-top-270-000

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    I think I would go with this, a controlled version of let it rip with hospitals being the priority indicator.

    https://mb.com.ph/2022/01/05/omicron...2HJYG4UWa4X4Ms


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    The provisional figures for the Philippines today show a positivity rate of 37% and a likely 18,000 new cases. So that will be 5k, 12k, 18k.

    26,000 is the record, but not for long. Probably another week until the hospitals in Manila start struggling.


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