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    Roe v Wade was bad law and this was probably the right decision from a legal perspective.

    Even many liberal justices have admitted so, but many chose not to touch in the spirit of incrementalism or to respect precedent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ploft:
    It's interesting that you used the word "democratically" given that the Democrats have won the past 7/9 presidential elections by any democratic standard, yet have appointed only 5/12 of justices in the same period which has directly lead to the decision today.

    This is of course, just one of the major anti-democratic aspects of the US system, not to mention the filibuster, the electoral college, and the senate itself.
    A pure democracy would never work in the United States. They're too different in ideology and the South would never put up with it. The system the US has protects the rights of small communities to not be governed by bigger ones. Bigger communities/states are always free to pass laws locally and in their states while smaller ones still have a say and a defense against being "colonized" by bigger states with different needs.

    The problem feels huge because people desperately want national laws but don't have the national consensus to pass them. Govern yourself and not your neighbor and 99% of all problems go away.

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    The Good Ole U S of fecking A, continues to shock the world with its utter stupidity once again. Oh well, more power to the dark web on abortion self meds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hkaneshiro:
    Roe v Wade was bad law and this was probably the right decision from a legal perspective.

    Even many liberal justices have admitted so, but many chose not to touch in the spirit of incrementalism or to respect precedent.
    Yes, it was bad law so legal scholars can rejoice. Pretty sure gay marriage is not really in the constitution either and regulation of marriage is surely something that is left to the states (all the other laws like whether or not you can marry your first cousin, vary state by state).

    That said, still a clusterfuck. Anticipating this day, my daughter chose...sterilization. Yes, there are people going that far. For her, who wants, more than anything, to remain childless, this is the right move, but, holy crap, it shouldn't be necessary to resort to surgery...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckster007:
    The Good Ole U S of fecking A, continues to shock the world with its utter stupidity once again. Oh well, more power to the dark web on abortion self meds.
    Happens when religion gets involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckster007:
    Oh well, more power to the dark web on abortion self meds.
    The state controls the payment rails though, they'll probably end up getting you on wire fraud...

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    Downright disturbing that they are so zealous about this when they clearly don't give a flying f about kids or women.

    GOP congressman, asked if he's OK with a child rape victim carrying out pregnancy: "You don’t know you were raped for 2 months?"


    https://edition.cnn.com/politics/liv...-22/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgoodkat:
    Sure there is, Congress could make a law. SCOTUS only ruled that abortion isn't a constitutionally protected right, and thus state governments can make their own laws regarding abortion. It's not a constitutionally protected right in the UK either, or in Canada (where each province has their own laws, like the US now), or in Australia, or New Zealand, or Germany (where it's technically illegal, just not punished up to the first trimester). Overturning Roe v Wade isn't the end-of-the-world kind of decisions the left makes it out to be, if their representatives would just start doing their fucking jobs.
    I don't think this is correct. This is up to the states. The states can't infringe on constitutional rights, but Trump's appointees just decided that this isn't one. Otherwise TMU the constitution does not allow the federal government to restrict the states in such ways. And creating a constitutional amendment has way too high hurdles to happen.

    What the federal government could do is to come up with financial restrictions that harm states that outlaw abortion, similar to the minimum drinking age (states that allow less than 21 are cut from federal road funds). Not sure this would help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgoodkat:
    All SCOTUS did was give the power to legislate abortion back to the democratically elected state governments. Abortion isn't a constitutional right anywhere.
    I dont give a shit what is a "constitutional right" vs a "common sense law". The US has some wacko ways of doing things, but the bottom line is they had something called Roe vs Wade for the last 50 years which meant that common sense prevailed. I don't care it was implemented by the supreme court or whatever systems they have over there, it was common sense. Now these 6 wacko judges decide to throw away common sense, because "this law should have been done by someone else and not us" bullshit. So now there are 50 different laws in the US and women's rights are sent back 50 years?

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