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    No all I am trying to do is point out the advice that is pretty much issued from any embassy when visiting Middle Eastern states. Nothing more nothing less. Leaving aside the LGBT issue there are enough issues just following simple street etiquette when in the company of others.

    Don’t get me started on religion. One visit to the vast wealth of the Vatican museum killed any remote possibility of belief.

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    Agreed, but a minister gets pilloried for providing the same advice. Could he have delivered better? Sure. Does it merit the criticism. Personally I think not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancisX:
    Point missed. Goal kick awarded. Those "fucking liberals" don't need to read the links you have posted because those links are irrelevant.

    The arguments are not about Qatar as a country, but Qatar as a World Cup host and the obligation it has as host to respect the values of FIFA, which include acceptance and inclusion of LGB fans. This isn't up for debate.

    Nice though that you wouldn't have a problem with Qatar locking up gay football fans for having the temerity to not go back inside the closet. Showing your class.
    Values of FIFA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snjt:
    He should be under fire for saying soccer
    I had a hard time deciding which thread to post under...this or Twitter or Russia.

    Flashback 2018..

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jzm...4nK1Q1d7k/view

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancisX:
    The arguments are not about Qatar as a country, but Qatar as a World Cup host and the obligation it has as host to respect the values of FIFA, which include acceptance and inclusion of LGB fans. This isn't up for debate.
    This does not seem to be true. Only were the door is fully open do FIFA champion human rights.

    In 2018 Jerome Valcke, FIFA’s secretary general, said “less democracy is sometimes better for organizing a World Cup,” ... “When you have a very strong head of state who can decide, as maybe Putin"

    Qatar appear to have won the bid on financial grounds rather than growing the game and spreading peace and love.

    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Qa...rld-Cup-582998

    I guess the issues is over the word 'respect'. Modern thinking seems to link respect with approval. I believe you can respect the law and the way it is enforced and fully disagree with it.

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    Qatar being Qatar ... Not much clue offered why these workers were in this area and why 1030Pm is the right time to begin evictions


    The Qatari official said municipal authorities have been enforcing a 2010 Qatari law which prohibits "workers' camps within family residential areas" - a designation encompassing most of central Doha - and gives them the power to move people out.

    Some of the evicted workers said they hoped to find places to live amid purpose-built workers' accommodation in and around the industrial zone on Doha's southwestern outskirts or in outlying cities, a long commute from their jobs.

    https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sp...up-2022-10-28/

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    Countries can run themselves the way they want but it doesn't mean that the rest of the world should celebrate them. Whether it's Wimbledon banning Russian players or former Olympians like Jean Luc Brassard speaking out against the the Olympic committee awarding the games to China or Brazil. If FIFA is basically doing the same corrupt thing in going to Qatar, there is nothing wrong about bringing more light to the issue. Nothing will ever change by keeping a lid on things, of course naysayers can say that nothing is going to change anyway which may well be right but better to try and fail than doing nothing and shrugging your shoulder. Always easy to say that people could do more sitting at home with no skin in the game.

    It was good to see big sponsors dropping Hockey Canada one by one to eventually force the resignation of the top brass over the rape cover scandal. It gives a little hope that sometimes big corporations will do the right thing...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornmeal:
    Values of FIFA!
    I don't disagree, but that is a separate argument

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeByeEngland:
    Sorry but as usual you have missed the point entirely. Qatar should never have been awarded the World Cup. Once it was awarded there was zero effort at change apart from a bit of tokenism.

    Not once in my post, nor anywhere else on Geo (I hope) have I ever expressed views that you are suggesting I have. My point is simply this. Liberalism works in the West it does NOT work in Islamic countries. Whether that is awful by western standards is not the debate. Whether people jump over the border for fun is not the debate, whether Dubai effectively silently endorses expat behaviour in and around the Marina, Jumeirah beach and other places and allows liquor licenses for westerners is not the debate.

    Within the borders of Qatar the rules have not changed and are not going to change before the World Cup. Now if you’d bothered even to read the first article there is expected behaviour and dress code long before you even get into sexuality issues. That is a simple fact. Boundaries are going to be challenged and it is sometimes not going to be pretty.

    The point is simple. Liberalism works in the western world. It isn’t happening in Qatar and other Middle Eastern states and quite frankly there is no meaningful global sporting or political will to challenge it.
    Yes they have.

    That was a lot of words to justify your regressive opinion.

    In case you missed it:

    Quite frankly if people want to rainbow dress and hold hands in public in Qatar then I will be giving zero fucks for any of the consequences of those actions

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancisX:
    Yes they have.

    That was a lot of words to justify your regressive opinion.

    In case you missed it:
    I’ve missed nothing apart from you taking a quote and putting your own interpretation on it. It’s not Lockhart Road, it’s not a SoHo London Bar, it’s Qatar FFS and plain common sense advice

    https://queerintheworld.com/gay-doha...-travel-guide/

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