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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeByeEngland:
    I’ve missed nothing apart from you taking a quote and putting your own interpretation on it. It’s not Lockhart Road, it’s not a SoHo London Bar, it’s Qatar FFS and plain common sense advice

    https://queerintheworld.com/gay-doha...-travel-guide/
    Fran drops the "T", his outrage about rights is limited to the groups he determines are worthy of such rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonDiego:
    Countries can run themselves the way they want but it doesn't mean that the rest of the world should celebrate them. Whether it's Wimbledon banning Russian players or former Olympians like Jean Luc Brassard speaking out against the the Olympic committee awarding the games to China or Brazil. If FIFA is basically doing the same corrupt thing in going to Qatar, there is nothing wrong about bringing more light to the issue. Nothing will ever change by keeping a lid on things, of course naysayers can say that nothing is going to change anyway which may well be right but better to try and fail than doing nothing and shrugging your shoulder. Always easy to say that people could do more sitting at home with no skin in the game.

    It was good to see big sponsors dropping Hockey Canada one by one to eventually force the resignation of the top brass over the rape cover scandal. It gives a little hope that sometimes big corporations will do the right thing...
    HA! Corporations only ever do the right thing when they are forced to, kicking and screaming.

    Hockey Canada isn't just any corporation, it's a representation of the country's national pastime. Only after public outage, being denounced by the government, and having its government funding frozen did the resignations happen. The reason this happened was not some athletes social media post, in fact we found out too many of these so-called "professional" athletes are genuinely abhorrent people. A sexual assault slush fund? That tells us a lot about the morals of these people on so many levels, the woman who was the catalyst for the story breaking was assaulted by not 1, not 2, but 8 players! And it's been going on for decades.

    Furthermore the other reason this was possible is because Canada is a FREE and open society unlike Qatar which ranks near the bottom of any freedom index. No such changes will come about in Qatar because the authoritarian rulers don't have to answer to anyone and because their citizens are either uninformed or don't care about the way they treat foreign workers.

    There's no lid being kept on anything, all this info has been known for many years and these social media posts are barely more than people trying to absolve themselves, and by extension their fans, of guilt and put a nice face on their players/team so they can sure up sponsorship contracts in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shri:
    CNN: UK foreign secretary under fire for saying LGBT soccer fans should be "respectful" at Qatar World Cup.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/27/footb...ntl/index.html
    He has been unde fire in UK media for saying this. Accusations of suggestiimg people should 'be less gay' while in Qatar.

    I really don't get it. It's always been the case that behaviour by westerners has to be modified when in countries such as these. Heterosexuals don't show affection, kissing, holding hands etc. Women can't wander around in public in skimpy clothing etc etc. I got thrown out of a cathedral in Spain last year because my shorts weren't long enough. That's what happens when you travel. Different cultures different rules.

    Personally I'd rather see a little more outrage out about their treatment of workers/ immigrants than whether it's ok to have a snog in public or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancisX:
    I don't disagree, but that is a separate argument
    Wasn't the crux of your argument that Qatar will be promoting values aligned with FIFA? Happy to be wrong.

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    When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornmeal:
    HA! Corporations only ever do the right thing when they are forced to, kicking and screaming.

    Hockey Canada isn't just any corporation, it's a representation of the country's national pastime. Only after public outage, being denounced by the government, and having its government funding frozen did the resignations happen. The reason this happened was not some athletes social media post, in fact we found out too many of these so-called "professional" athletes are genuinely abhorrent people. A sexual assault slush fund? That tells us a lot about the morals of these people on so many levels, the woman who was the catalyst for the story breaking was assaulted by not 1, not 2, but 8 players! And it's been going on for decades.

    Furthermore the other reason this was possible is because Canada is a FREE and open society unlike Qatar which ranks near the bottom of any freedom index. No such changes will come about in Qatar because the authoritarian rulers don't have to answer to anyone and because their citizens are either uninformed or don't care about the way they treat foreign workers.

    There's no lid being kept on anything, all this info has been known for many years and these social media posts are barely more than people trying to absolve themselves, and by extension their fans, of guilt and put a nice face on their players/team so they can sure up sponsorship contracts in the future.
    How were the corporations forced to withdraw their sponsorship? Nothing would have happened if they didn't besides perhaps a bit of bad press. Could they have done it sooner? Sure. but better then than never. Should all hockey player now refuse to play for Canada? Should everyone in Canada stop watching hockey? At the end of the day, there are three choices... Withdraw from events which means a huge to significant impact on athletes not doing something that may only happen once in a lifetime, participating and voicing concerns one way or another or say nothing and participate. Now, how many here will not watch the World Cup because it's in Qatar and/or boycott sponsors? How many think it's perfectly fine to hold such and event in Qatar and nothing should be said about it? My guess would be that most people will watch, not boycott anyone even though they think FIFA is corrupt and Qatar has no business holding this event. One thing that would be extremely hypocritical would be to criticize the event, expect athletes to make a huge sacrifice and meanwhile follow and watch the World Cup.

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    FIFA writes a letter to the 32 teams "Please, let‘s now focus on the football!. Please do not allow football to be dragged into every ideological or political battle that exists"

    The letter did not mention a request from several European nations to wear “One Love” armbands through the tournament. England and Wales said they would not follow any ban from FIFA.

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/footba...14437e07f6557e


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    Does Qatar needs freedom? or human right sanctions? or democracy may be?
    Enjoy your weekend, everyone


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy SNK:
    Does Qatar needs freedom? or human right sanctions? or democracy may be?
    Enjoy your weekend, everyone
    It needed all of those things

    Until Europe needed LNG even more
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdw:
    FIFA writes a letter to the 32 teams "Please, let‘s now focus on the football!. Please do not allow football to be dragged into every ideological or political battle that exists"

    The letter did not mention a request from several European nations to wear “One Love” armbands through the tournament. England and Wales said they would not follow any ban from FIFA.

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/footba...14437e07f6557e

    Clearly there were some consequences to the Australian team protesting by letter. Who follows now will be the real test.

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