The pitfall that everyone esp china and china supporters themselves can't seem to avoid and keep swimming in - they think ppl who aren't voting for them must be jealous (success story bla bla) or supporters of enemy factions (democracy bla bla). Not me, and I am frankly just tired of mentally making excuses for China, Prc ppl and anyone who aligns with them just so their behaviour looks less moronic and can pass for the human decent sort. The gov is useless imo if the ppl can actually fare better net by fending for themselves govless. It's useless in any universe so comparing it to NK to make it look useful doesn't make me feel better abt it..
Disagree la but not something we need to agree or argue . The state managed corruption which incl all dem SOEs and nonSOEs making themselves a household name globally, issuing bonds (and defaulting on them), stock exchange stock connect, glitzing up sz, shanghai, BJ olympics etc. Basically all outward external expansions to the world was only possible thru the state managed corruption and the state ego. The glamour version of China to show the world it is a v global and rule of law place and doesn't only have doorless squatting toilets. Indo or India never did this on such a scale other than the ad hoc drive to attract foreign investors that all countries do bcos their governments (whoever it was in power) never thot it was needed or No 1 priority for the country. This despite Indo having a terrible rep globally for ages as a country where corruption is not a glitch but a feature ie the way of life. Why this is the case.. Seriously. It's bcos they incl gov, politicians and regular folk never behaved in a such a way and consistently so that they now have a reputation out there to fix. A reputation they keep thinking they have already fixed bcos they have checked off all the criteria on their reference list of things to do so that other countries will see China as credible and nice.. A rep that would function just perfect if these damned dissidents and stupid minorities just stop yapping abt it to foreign press and ruining it for poor China. I really think this is an area NK is miles ahead of China bcos they just kill their dissidents? Swiftly and quickly first chance they get pronto. They don't go around doing inane things like wasting state $ on renting out offices and threatening dissidents to say only nice things going forward. Or wail to the press abt how evil the west is every single time. I was so happy with Qatar's public reaction to the World Cup issue bcos I just kept thhinking omg china pls learn from them. This is how a more cultured less petulant gov and people responds to criticism. Yep, falling standards I know..corruption and pouring money into grandiose projects and their miltary holds them back far more than harrassing dissidents and oppressing minorities
Not Xi supporter but at least he knows what the issue is (he said something abt this in last speech). Problem is he doesn't get the depth of it and was never keen to fix it anyway - just a varnish will do for the pesky irritating ppl out there who think they're morally better and nicer ppl..
Last edited by sarsi; 09-11-2022 at 10:04 AM.