Russia / Ukraine War - 2023 News and Issues

[Elefant&Castle]

I am too young to remember

It was 1961 - now do you remember?

[East_coast]

https://twitter.com/IvoHDaalder/stat...d-indo-pacific

[hullexile]

https://twitter.com/IvoHDaalder/stat...d-indo-pacific

A very US centric view, America as the great unselfish saviour of the world.

[Grinnie Jax]

Although I suspect the check and balances are very different before deployment

I meant that Belarus had been forced to submit nuclear weapons to Russia in 90s (same as Ukraine), and it had been a big thing back then - I remember how Clinton came to Minsk personally and gave a speech.



Now, in 2020s - nuclear weapons are back and no single speech or anything. But, as a matter of fact - it will (a) solidify Russia control over Belarus (basically make it nearly impossible becoming independent from Russia w/o removing nuclear weapons and Russian bases); (b) make Belarus a Russian nuclear "bridge" hanging over Europe.

Actually, leaving same nuclear weapons to Belarus in 90s would have most likely rendered the creeping occupation of Belarus impossible (and attempt to occupy Ukraine) - and, therefore, no platform for this ugly war. Now it came back - but on much different conditions.

[Grinnie Jax]

It was 1961 - now do you remember?

I know the date. I mean - where is the analogy?

[Elefant&Castle]

I know the date. I mean - where is the analogy?

That's another matter - George - who I suppose is old enough to remember - will have to respond. In the meantime we can ask chatgpt.

Socrates: Greetings, Plato. What knowledge do you have to share with me today?

Plato: Salutations, Socrates. I have been studying the history of the Cold War, and I have come across a significant event that I would like to discuss with you - the placement of Jupiter missiles in Turkey.

Socrates: Ah, yes. I have heard of these missiles. But why were they significant?

Plato: The placement of these missiles in Turkey by the United States in 1961 was a strategic move to deter the Soviet Union from launching a nuclear attack. The missiles were capable of reaching Soviet targets within minutes, and their presence intensified the already tense relationship between the two superpowers.

Socrates: I see. So the placement of these missiles was a display of military power and a message to the Soviet Union that the United States was not to be trifled with.

Plato: Exactly. The Soviet Union responded by placing missiles in Cuba, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Socrates: A precarious situation indeed. It seems that the placement of these missiles not only had immediate consequences but also contributed to the overall tension and escalation of the Cold War.

Plato: Yes, it was a significant moment in history that highlighted the dangers of nuclear weapons and the importance of strategic diplomacy.

Socrates: As always, Plato, your knowledge of history continues to impress me.

[East_coast]

I meant that Belarus had been forced to submit nuclear weapons to Russia in 90s (same as Ukraine), and it had been a big thing back then - I remember how Clinton came to Minsk personally and gave a speech.



Now, in 2020s - nuclear weapons are back and no single speech or anything. But, as a matter of fact - it will (a) solidify Russia control over Belarus (basically make it nearly impossible becoming independent from Russia w/o removing nuclear weapons and Russian bases); (b) make Belarus a Russian nuclear "bridge" hanging over Europe.

Actually, leaving same nuclear weapons to Belarus in 90s would have most likely rendered the creeping occupation of Belarus impossible (and attempt to occupy Ukraine) - and, therefore, no platform for this ugly war. Now it came back - but on much different conditions.

Yes. Belarus gave up their nuclear weapons, Russia did not.

USA has for man years had its nuclear weapons in friendly countries in Europe. Russia is just following suit.

[East_coast]

A very US centric view, America as the great unselfish saviour of the world.

It was by an American. I think Trump was wrong and the USA should still try to act as a bulwark against totalitarianism on a global scale. The world would be a very different place if they had not been involved in halting the growth of totalitarianism in

- Korean conflict
- Taiwan Strait Crisis
- 3rd Vietnam war
- Grenada
- Singing Revolution
- Panama
- Gulf War
- Bosnian War
- Afghan Civil War
- East Timorese crisis
- Cold war

All these resulted in more freedoms and economic growth either immediately or over time in the region.

I think the point of the tweet was to highlight the hypocrisy of the French President who is happy for the USA to do most of the heavy lifting at a conflict near to France but non-reciprocal where similar issues exist and the USA would expect (hope for) assistance.

[Elefant&Castle]

USA has for man years had its nuclear weapons in friendly countries in Europe. Russia is just following suit.

Nato is moving closer - not the nuclear weapons though. Even 'East Germany' is still nuclear free afaik.

[East_coast]

Even 'East Germany' is still nuclear free afaik.

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Why would Germany close then rebuild nuclear weapons facilities within its borders?

Should the USA distribute its nuclear weapons amongst the 50 states rather than the 10 or so that have always been home to them?