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    Oops, Did I say Utah? Meant New Mexico.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/20/u...shootings.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirNotAppearing:
    Oops, Did I say Utah? Meant New Mexico.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/20/u...shootings.html
    Yes an idiot.

    National leaders and their families get all sorts of threats. Mr Trump was a very unlikable person but was not any justified in getting death threats than Ms Arden. Yes more likely given his stance but not more justified.

    Her economic policies to uplift the working poor were a failure leaving very little to push back with against the loud 'freedom' mob who believe she over stepped the mark on lock down poilicies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancisX:
    Anyone who inserts the word 'facist' in a discussion like this should be put in the naughty corner for two days.

    Absolute juvenile behaviour.
    Fsscism:

    noun. Britannica Dictionary definition of FASCISM. [noncount] 1. or Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the governmen

    A lot of inhumane stuff went on in NZ under her watch. Some countries went 100% overboard with measures trying to limit Covid. I'd never have thought in 2019 I'd group NZ with China and Hong Kong but facts are facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkongmusic:
    Fsscism:

    noun. Britannica Dictionary definition of FASCISM. [noncount] 1. or Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the governmen

    A lot of inhumane stuff went on in NZ under her watch. Some countries went 100% overboard with measures trying to limit Covid. I'd never have thought in 2019 I'd group NZ with China and Hong Kong but facts are facts.


    In what way were people not able to disagree with the actions of the Kiwi government? Were journalists silenced? Political opposition jailed? Political process derailed? Ruling politicians enfranchised for life?

    It’s fine to disagree with NZ’s covid approach but calling it fascist is absurd in the extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrit:


    In what way were people not able to disagree with the actions of the Kiwi government? Were journalists silenced? Political opposition jailed? Political process derailed? Ruling politicians enfranchised for life?

    It’s fine to disagree with NZ’s covid approach but calling it fascist is absurd in the extreme.
    Being about 9 months ahead of HK in opening up is far from being a facist.
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    Jacinda in 2020:


    'This decision will mean New Zealand will have the widest ranging and toughest border restrictions of any country in the world.'


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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkongmusic:
    Jacinda in 2020:


    'This decision will mean New Zealand will have the widest ranging and toughest border restrictions of any country in the world.'
    Yes. A policy decision, right or wrong. Not fascism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkongmusic:
    Jacinda in 2020:


    'This decision will mean New Zealand will have the widest ranging and toughest border restrictions of any country in the world.'
    The vast majority of countries were not able to do such border controls.

    The other comparable countries would be
    - Australia
    - Japan
    - Taiwan

    All these had a similar approach to early Covid lockouts and lockdowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkongmusic:
    Fsscism:

    noun. Britannica Dictionary definition of FASCISM. [noncount] 1. or Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the governmen

    A lot of inhumane stuff went on in NZ under her watch. Some countries went 100% overboard with measures trying to limit Covid. I'd never have thought in 2019 I'd group NZ with China and Hong Kong but facts are facts.
    Proving my point.

    Thanks

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    Via Umberto Eco, the 14 features of fascism:


    1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
    2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
    3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
    4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
    5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
    6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
    7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
    8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
    9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
    10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
    11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
    12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
    13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
    14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
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