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    Quote Originally Posted by flameproof:
    I am curious how the 14th amendment will work out.

    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    And very straight forward, no need for any conviction.
    How will he have been said to have engaged in an insurrection if not convicted of such?

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    He's not charged in engaging in insurrection, sedition, etc., but conspiracy to defraud voters of their rights, so, sure, Trump can still hold office if he wins. He has a presumption of innocence, but the more he opens his mouth and types on Truth Social or live on camera, the harder he is making it for his defense attorneys to do their jobs.

    Thus far his defense seems to hinge on Free Speech rights, which won't get him very far in front of most judges and even a conservative SCOTUS would not rectify any appeal because every type of fraud, racketeering, blackmail, etc, relies on exercising speech in its commission.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirNotAppearing:
    He's not charged in engaging in insurrection, sedition, etc., but conspiracy to defraud voters of their rights, so, sure, Trump can still hold office if he wins. He has a presumption of innocence, but the more he opens his mouth and types on Truth Social or live on camera, the harder he is making it for his defense attorneys to do their jobs.

    Thus far his defense seems to hinge on Free Speech rights, which won't get him very far in front of most judges and even a conservative SCOTUS would not rectify any appeal because every type of fraud, racketeering, blackmail, etc, relies on exercising speech in its commission.
    What is the position if he gets a prison sentence before the election?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    What is the position if he gets a prison sentence before the election?
    If he's the nominee, it would likely be house arrest / prison with the weirdest campaign ever. The judge would never put him in a real jail, as it would require also imprisoning his secret service protection contingent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirNotAppearing:
    If he's the nominee, it would likely be house arrest / prison with the weirdest campaign ever. The judge would never put him in a real jail, as it would require also imprisoning his secret service protection contingent.
    But he could become president? And then pardon himself?

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    I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but it seems to me he could and if elected, probably has that implicit OK. Trump is de facto running on a platform of obtaining pardons because he's not talking about any issue other than his own victimhood.

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    That was quick..

    A grand jury in Atlanta handed up an indictment late Monday in a Georgia prosecutor’s investigation into efforts by Donald J. Trump and some of his key allies to overturn the state’s 2020 election results.

    But its details — including who is named in the indictment and what charges were brought — were not immediately clear. After a long day of the grand jurors hearing evidence, the full indictment is expected to be released later in the evening.

    For two and a half years, prosecutors in Fulton County, Ga., have been investigating whether Mr. Trump and his supporters broke state laws in their bid to keep him in power. Nearly 20 people are known to have been told that they could face charges as a result of the investigation.
    More to follow after they make copies and fax them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirNotAppearing:
    I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but it seems to me he could and if elected, probably has that implicit OK. Trump is de facto running on a platform of obtaining pardons because he's not talking about any issue other than his own victimhood.
    Why should it take a constitutional scholarship for a voter to go 'the fucker is a felon...'. Many of the states dont even allow felons to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shri:
    Why should it take a constitutional scholarship for a voter to go 'the fucker is a felon...'. Many of the states dont even allow felons to vote.
    Agree with all above. Problem is US Constitution allows Trump to run (if not vote) from prison (or house arrest). Founding fathers never foresaw this particular lunatic.

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