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Tesla and the Swedish Union Drama...

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    Tesla and the Swedish Union Drama...

    Am all for collective bargaining and workers rights.

    However, this seems to be waaay over the top. The union of what should be an essential national service (delivering mail - not a courier service), refuses to deliver license plates from the govt to the tesla factory.

    PostNord workers on Nov. 20 joined industrial action aimed at forcing Tesla to sign a collective bargain agreement for mechanics in Sweden, and the transport agency refused to deliver the plates by other means, saying it was contractually bound to use PostNord.

    However, Norrkoping district court ruled the agency must get the plates to Tesla within seven days or pay a fine of 1 million Swedish crowns ($95,000).
    https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ts-2023-11-27/

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    Drama has now crossed borders... This makes one wonder how do you really do business in these countries when you are at the mercy of the unions?

    I understand that the first response would be pay your workers fairly. Would have thought these countries had rock solid labour laws and minimum wages etc.

    Is the right to unionise, constitutional?

    https://electrek.co/2023/12/05/denma...nts-to-sweden/


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    Not sure how to explain/defend this or if I even want to. My experience of unions in Sweden are that they are in some ways super annoying and can create this "CANNOT" moments which otherwise is rare in Sweden. Basically it happens in all kinds of ways, like my dad need to drive 7km to pick up the mail at the central postage center because some union person has decided they can't drive the postal car into their neighborhood. There is a ton of these silly examples where people curse the unions and its especially gone overboard like the past 10 years, before that it wasn't really a big thing.

    On the other hand, the unions are very reasonable when it comes to salary demands. Looking at the inflation spike Europe experienced, although Sweden also had a weakening currency, the salary increases through the unions have been among the lowest in Europe. The idea is to spread it out over time so run at a real rate negative salary for a few years and when inflation comes down catch up. This is an example of a really well behaving union which really cares for that the companies do well. So it's an extremely mixed bag and Tesla is getting a taste of the CANNOT attitude unions sometimes get locked into. Although the specific case here is about that Tesla don't want unions, so even if all employees are happy and don't really want a union, it ends up in a CANNOT situation and they go full retard on the topic.

    ByeByeEngland, hullexile and shri like this.

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    When postal workers stopped delivering mail, including license plates, to Tesla, the company filed lawsuits against the government agency that produces the plates and PostNord, the postal company the government uses to deliver them. . Tesla demanded that the postal company either deliver or surrender the plates it had.

    So far, Tesla has not convinced the courts. In late November, a judge ruled that the agency must make the plates available to Tesla, but another court later overturned that ruling. In the other case, a judge said PostNord did not need to deliver license plates being held by the postal service’s workers. Both cases await a final ruling.

    Esben Pedersen, who helped bring Tesla to Europe, said the automaker might have painted itself into a corner in Sweden, adding that the strike is about a larger issue than just wages and benefits.

    “It’s about a cultural clash between two distinct systems: the Scandinavian labor market model, which emphasizes collective negotiation, and the Silicon Valley ethos of agility in pivoting, coupled with Elon’s focus on vertical integration,” he said. “Even if he offers compensation that exceeds requirements, the strike would likely continue until Tesla agrees to a collective bargaining agreement.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/07/b...smid=url-share